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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The flag is a symbol, and as such, has different meanings to different people.

I get the same feeling when I see the Confederate flag as I have when I see someone burning the flag of the US - I think it is sad.  But, I believe that people have the right to fly the Confederate flag just as people have the right to burn the US flag.  I would never do either.  [/quote] As an AA woman, I agree that people should be able to fly whatever flag they wish.  However, I feel differently about the [i]State[/i] of South Carolina.  [/quote]

Well, that State doesn't represent you or me, but the citizens actually living and voting there.[/quote] So if we find some citizens of South Carolina that agree with me that it is inappropriate for the state to fly that flag, then....?
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If the majority of people living there wanted to change their THEIR flag, I expect that they would. Unless selecting state flags becomes federal business, I am not sure why we're discussing this, honestly.[/quote]

I agree that all indications suggest that the majority of people living in South Carolina are content to be represented by a flag that was flown by those in armed rebellion against the Government of the United States (i.e. traitors) in defense of slavery. What I don't understand is why that majority doesn't seem to understand why this makes them look like a bunch of racists.
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I respect the legitimacy of victors' justice, of course, but "traitors" is a bridge too far.  Whether the Constitution allowed for secession was an open question until it was settled by Justices Sherman and Grant, who put broad swathes of the South to the torch.  Not that in some ways they didn't have it coming, of course.  [/quote]

It's not a matter of "victor's justice".  When they attacked Fort Sumter, the issue was decided.  They went to war against America.[/quote]

That doesn't make them "traitors," although I would concede it makes them "foolish." [/quote]

I think that launching armed rebellion against your government is pretty much the textbook definition of being a "traitor". If you win, you get to describe yourself as freedom fighters in your own history books. But unfortunately for the Confederates, they lost. I don't see a reason to sugar coat the acts of treason that launched the Civil War.
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That whole line of argument begs the question of whether it was still "their" government.  That was an open question until settled by force of arms.  I mean, you can name call if you want, but at the time states were viewed as sovereign entities and the issue was not black and white.

And I'm not sugar coating anything, I mean, fighting to defend slavery is way worse than being a "traitor."  [/quote]

I guess by that logic Al Qaeda was on a quest for regional independence, although one must concede that the decision to blow up WTC was not well thought through.[/quote]

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