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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why because in any other major surgery you don't like to see X-rays, ct scans, etc. of your body to make an informed choice? [/quote]

No one forces you by law to look at your x-rays or scans.  And neither x-rays or scans cause pain.  Vaginal ultrasounds are very painful.  [/quote]

Really? I have had many due to polycystic ovaries and I can assure you they are completely painless. You don't need to penetrate the cervix in any way. Where the f*ck do you get your information?  Abortions, on the other hand, are painful.[/quote]
Really. Where the f*ck do you get YOUR information? I don't even know what 'you don't need to penetrate the cervix' even means. So it's fine with you having a probe shoved up your body as long as they don't 'penetrate the cervix'. Good to know. And BTW, If you have vaginismus, I can assure you that ANY penetration is extremely painful. I have to assume that you have first hand experience with the pain of abortion, or you would not make the assertion that it is painful. Right...RIGHT?

[b]The mandatory violation of a woman who is seeking a legal medical procedure is effectively rape[/b]. It is absolutely outrageous that these sorts of procedures - mostly put forth by men - are allowed.[/quote]
When opinions like these are thrown around as facts it makes me so worried for our society. [/quote]
What part of that sentence do you take exception to? 'Mandatory violation'? What else would you call a vaginal ultrasound  mandated by law? 'Legal medical procedure'? See Roe vs Wade. 'Effectively rape'? Well, what would you call having a probe inserted into a bodily orifice against your will? These are not 'opinions', these are facts. This issue no longer affects me directly (I'm too old) and I don't have daughters - but the fact that ignorant people like you are out there and potentially have an effect on our laws makes me also 'so worried for our society'.[/quote]

I'd say don't have the medical procedure if it can't be done safely and effectively. Ultrasounds show where the pregnancy is - what if it's in the tube, and in the process, you rupture the tube? Or the tube ruptures a week or so later because the woman thought she wasn't pregnant anymore. How do you know if the contents of the uterus are completely evacuated? Do you know the risk of infection/bleeding/etc. if you leave even a piece of placenta?  What if the uterus has an unusual position (i.e. tipped), is bi-cornate or heart-shaped? An ultrasound allows visualization for the doctor and makes the procedure infinitely safer for the women.

By crying 'rape' at this law, you are setting medical science backwards and putting women in danger. I don't consider that benevolent. In fact, I consider that ignorant.[/quote]

When an ultrasound is medically necessary, then politicians don't have to write a law to tell doctors to do it.[/quote]

Yes, they do. Because there are many unscrupulous doctors out there willing to open abortion clinics and cut corners to make a fast buck. [/quote]

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