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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]
Do you really believe Europe's Muslims are so fragile? I don't see mass Muslim insurrection in Europe ever happening on a mass scale. I've lived in Europe, I've been back several times in the past few years, I have relatives there, I read two of the languages fluently and a third somewhat, heck I even dated a few Algerians living in Europe (admittedly a while ago). Maybe a few thousand more might be turned to ISIS, maybe a few more terrorist attacks here and in Europe. But no way tens of thousands of Muslims in Europe are going to launch mass insurrection against their European states.  That's ISIS' pipe dream but we don't need to buy into it.

Meanwhile, dissidents within Arab and Islamic countries are in jail or fear for their lives. Our silence hurts them rather than helping them.

It's like Chamberlain, always conciliating and missing the bigger picture. Are we really that scared? Are we really that impotent? Do we really see no way to handle alienation besides silence and winking at the anti-immigration folks? Like, I dunno, economic and social measures to reduce alienation? Is our silence really the only possible response? I'm sure you'll find the comparison to Chamberlain flattering, you're welcome.[/quote]

Based on your logic, all Christianity should be criticized because of groups like the LRA, the KKK, and Westboro Baptist. Those groups prove that Christianity is clearly a religion of hate. If you suggest otherwise, you are clearly appeasing the extremists.

Do you believe that the best way to support moderate voices within Islam is to insult their religion? 
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You really are the master of twisting arguments. You always come back to the KKK and refuse to address head on issues like multiple Quranic verses calling for killing people who stand in God's way or taking female war captives as your slaves. Your refrain of "Christians are just as bad!", even though I willingly agree that the KKK is just as bad, isn't even an answer to the problem before us. You  will undoubtedly say once again that scriptire is irrelevant. Tell that to ISIS and the rest. As long as these verses retain their standing as God's own words that He still wants us to follow in the 21st century, groups like ISIS WILL continue to use them.

Do you really think ISIS or even Algerians living in Paris banlieus read DCUM? Also, let's be clear: nobody is calling for a president or prime minister to criticize specific suras. But freer discourse in the press and, for Pete's sake, podunk places like DCUM, might actually help reform along. This certainly has a better chance of advancing discussion and reform than cringing because we think ISIS is right about provoking massive uprisings in Europe.[/quote]

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