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21:25 here. That's distorting the point. From looking at the cost of welfare, incarceration and education against the economic benefits provided to our society as a whole because of the spending and productivity of illegal immigrants, it's probably close to a wash whether it's economically costly or beneficial to deport them all. 
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[b][I]You omit the cost that the executive order will have on future illegal immigration.[/b][/I]    You are announcing to the world that yes, the U.S. has an immigration system set up which allows about 1 million people a year (far more from Mexico than any other country) to legally become US citizens.     But [b]if you come here illegally, we will never deport you, we will give you social benefits, and we will eventually give you citizenship[/b].

I wish that those in favor of immigration reform would just say that they really want to get rid of all immigration laws. [/quote]

That section I bolded is the bottom line.  What Obama will do is create a fluid or non-existent southern land border.  Perhaps the next step is to consult with Mexico and develope an agreement plus a process where the USA books flights or provides the ground transportation through Mexico.

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You make a fair point about the future effects on immigration. I don't know how to model that and I haven't seen articles providing a credible model for how this change would affect future immigration.

As far as the "fluid border" is concerned, according to PolitiFact.com, the best estimate anyone can come up with is that somewhere around 40% of the unauthorized migrants currently resident in the United States did not cross the borders illegally. Instead, they arrived in the United States on a lawful tourist, student, business, or other visa. (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/sep/06/john-carter/john-carter-claim-40-percent-nations-illegal-resid/)

I disagree with your assertion about those who favor immigration reform just want to do away with all immigration rules. Our immigration system is broken in a manner similar to the recording industry. No one is suggesting that because people are sharing music illegally that the music industry should just fold up and go away. Instead, people are trying to figure out how to change the business model for the music industry so that it works better for everyone. We need to modify our immigration laws to recognize certain realities about the nature of the world we live in.

Or we could just allow Mexico and Canada (except for Quebec) to join the US as about 40 new states. ;-)[/quote]

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