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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If Pullman lets you go either way on the issue of faith, then he's making you think. If the "correct" conclusion is spelled out for you, then it's, uhh, atheist proselytizing. [/quote]

Atheists don't proselytize, they point out facts and debunk beliefs for which there is no evidence, or contrary evidence.[/quote]

Whatever it is they do, they do it [b]very aggressively. And constantly[/b]. But that's not proselytizing, is it?   :roll: [/quote]

like scientists explaining evolution?  Doctors recommending regular exercise?  Like accountants balancing the budget?[/quote]

I don't think I have read more absurd comparisons. Medicine, accounting, health recommendations are[b] not based to diverse belief systems[/b]. They are based on universally held beliefs, unlike religion. You win the prize, Einstein! [/quote]

and atheism is not a religion, [b]it's not believing in gods,  and therefore isn't proselytized.[/b]  People come to atheism  by examining the evidence, just like they make scientific, medical and accounting decisions.[/quote]

Wowza, you're bad at logic! You're not yourself making a very good case for atheists' supposed superior reasoning abilities.[/quote]

Wowza - let's hear something convincing for believing in the supernatural -- believing in stuff for which there is no evidence and threatening people who don't believe with eternal damnation, despite the lack of evidence.  Relying totally on faith and disregarding the lack of evidence to maintain your beliefs.  Presenting faith in events or ideas for which there is no evidence as superior to an evidence-based acceptance of reality.[/quote]

Holy subject switch, Batman[/quote]

With religion, if one needs evidence to believe, then that kind of faith is on shaky ground. God expects faith regardless of observable evidence because this is the strongest kind of belief system one can have. If however, you need evidence to jumpstart your belief, it's there for the taking. Thousands of people have had near death experiences, both religious and nonreligious, atheists or even sinners. A German study of 944 volunteers proved there isn an after life. If you want to know, the information is out there. You can even google former atheists and near death experience to see them describe their fate. 
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