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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Many, many people read the Quran and do not speak modern Arabic and particularly do not know the historical context of the verses. They are not able to interpret some of the verses in the Quran so they have no choice but to take a literal interpretation. For example, the verses about killing apostates, if one doesn't know historical context, the importance of it, and reads it literally, will assume that apostasy in an of itself must be punishable by death. In fact, many a Sharia have incorporated this literal reading even though it is not in accordance with the intent of the law. I'm not going to engage in a debate with you on whether the Quran truly intends for apostates to be put to death. That is not the subject of this thread. I'm simply using it as an example. Upon further study, the student of the Quran will learn that not all apostates should be put to death. The true intent of the Quran has been misinterpreted by many.[/quote] I never mentioned apostasy and it is in fact not mentioned in the Quran, so I don't know why you mention it. Perhaps because it fits your argument of a little valiant scholar surrounded by Islamophobes. If you're not going to engage in a debate with me, the sun will still rise in the morning. [quote=Anonymous] The typical reader of the Quran does not know Islamic history and many Qurans, particularly the ones read in Islamic countries, do not provide commentary or any historical context. [/quote] It's kind of amusing that you say this, seeing as the overwhelming majority of tafsir were authored by Islamic scholars in Islamic countries. [quote=Anonymous] So were people aware that the "most authentic" hadith or historical context information existed. Of course they were. But those who were aware it existed and knew the history or studied the hadith were the learned men and these were few. Which one of them predicted the type of problems Muslims would face in modern society with violence being committed in Islam's name? If they could have predicted these problems, they would have painstakingly included the historical context in the Quran. [/quote] Violence committed in Islam's name is absolutely not a new historical phenomenon, and it should not present any particular challenges with interpretation since so much of the Quran talks about warfare. What IS a new phenomenon for the Muslim discourse is the idea of Muslims not being the majority, much less a ruling majority, and living as a relatively powerless, disenfranchised minority in the West. The totality of Shariah is based on the assumption of the Muslim rule in the Islamic state. It does not address living next to non-Muslims except as minorities under the Muslim rule. The whole concept of "fiqh of the minorities" (i.e. how Muslims should behave when they are a minority in a country they do not control) didn't even exist thirty or forty years ago. That's the area - not the warfare - that's causing the hottest debates between scholars since this is quite plainly a new situation for the Muslim communities. [quote=Anonymous] As for your comment about nonArab readers, I have no idea what you are trying to say. Both Arab and nonArab readers would benefit from a more thorough reformed Quran.[/quote] You brought up the Quranic translators. I pointed out that providing historical commentary and context has nothing to do with the issue of translation. [quote=Anonymous] I'm not going to go back and forth on this. I think this is quite self explanatory. If it's bothering you this much, you need to start doing your own research and making a few phone calls to learn more about reforming the Quran. You sound a lot like that islamophobe who was simply interested in arguing, not learning. If you want to argue, join a debating club.[/quote] You forgot to add "bad cook mother of porn addict evangelicalcrusaderevangelical granny in miniskirt."[/quote]
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