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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I find what the Muslims do relevant. I find the talk about the Quran irrelevant. All that really matters is what religions mean to the people who practice them and the effect the have on their lives and the lives of those who share the planet with them. That's what ultimately matters. Religions should help us be better people than we would be without them.[/quote]

You now find what Muslims do relevant? Well you said exactly the opposite to Jeff. See below where you persistently told Jeff that common muslim practice is irrelevant and his reply to you:

Jeff wrote:

I don't know you are directing this post to me. I have not called you a Christian-Evangelist-Crusader-Racist-Islamophobe. There are a lot of posters in this thread and it's a bit to tell one anonymous poster from another. But, there are clearly posters here who appear primarily committed to spreading negative information about Islam.

I think when someone picks a topic such as slavery or concubines and attempts to convey that this is an accepted and non-controversial practice that is unquestioned within the religion, when in fact very few adherents actually believe such a thing and there is quite a bit of debate among scholars, that poster is attempting to spread negative perceptions of Islam. If the poster was solely interested in providing broader perspective, the poster would not completely ignore common practice.

Islam, like any religion, is an easy target for criticism. It is fair to question its practices. But, just as I illustrated here with the example of Hagar, most posters here are not willing to subject mainstream Western religions to the same scrutiny. That suggests a certain basic lack of fairness.

And you wrote:
Common practice has nothing to do with the letter of religious law. Polygamy in Muslim countries isn't common practice, either. Yet you'd be hard-pressed to find a Muslim scholar who'd call it banned.

Mainstream Western religions contain as many vile bits as Islam. You'd get no argument from me. Start a thread on that, and I'll be your guest.

Jeff wrote:
You keep saying that common practice is irrelevant. I think differently. Each of us is allowed to make our points. I think it matters particularly because Islam has no "letter of religious law". As for polygamy, I don't know on what basis you believe it to be uncommon, but I have certainly encountered it in both the Middle East and Africa. Another poster in this thread who has lived in a Muslim country seems to have had the same experience. "[/quote]

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