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[quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
I'm the person you're responding to, but I'm not 23:35. I'm sorry, but a lot of this glosses over what's in the Quran and also doesn't reflect historical reality. Who do you think was selling black slaves to the European slave traders? It was Muslims selling African polytheists to the European Christians. You haven't even attempted to deny that the Quran condones taking non-Muslim (kaafir) prisoners as slaves, instead you've offered some fairly unconvincing arguments about how slave-taking is limited (ask West African polytheists how this worked out for them a few centuries ago). As for your point about how Islam didn't invent slavery, the pity of it all is that a document that purports to be God's direct word to humanity actually condones slavery.[/quote]

PS. I would encourage everybody here to seek out additional opinions, by reading the relevant passages of the Quran for yourself and by googling. The way to increase your own understanding is not to accept my opinion, or to accept Muslima's carefully curated selection of favorable apologetics. I am pretty confident, however, that when you read the actual passages of the Quran (in translation, but for most of you this can't be avoided) you will see through some of the cut-and-pastes that Muslima has provided.[/quote]

Actually, I will encourage every person curious about Islam to take their copy of the Quran to any mosque, go ask to talk to the Imam, ask about their credentials, sit down with them and ask all of your questions about any passage, chapter, story, ect that you are confused about. We Muslims don't have anything to hide. Islam is not a religion you learn through Google or Sheikh Wikipedia. Scholars spend years and years to study every piece, section and verse of the Quran, its tafseer, meaning, year it was revealed and reason behind the revelation. To understand the Quran as a Non-Muslim you would have to understand or Know the life of the prophet Muhammad saw to even understand what some verses are referring to. The Qur'an is not arranged chronologically. Chapters come in groups joined by similarity or identity of the first verse, similarities of verse structure or length, and sometimes similarities of subject matter. Another point to be taken note of is that, as hinted above, the methodical nature of the Quran is not just an incidental matter in the study of the Quran, it is integral to the meaning of the Quran. In plain terms, since the Quran has an organic structure, every verse or group of verses and every surah has a definitive context and interpretation of any portion of the Quran must be based on a correct understanding of that context.

It is unfortunate how some people misuse the Quran. Too often its verses have been torn out of context to prove some particular juristical opinion or sectarian notion. Frequently its terms and phrases have been misconstrued by those who come to it seeking, in some odd verse, support for views they have already formed on other than Quranic grounds. It is indeed a great irony that all heresies have been claimed by their propounders to have their basis in the Quran. And if these heresies looked plausible to many, it was because the context of the verses constituting the so-called 'basis in the Quran' was not properly understood. As Mawlana Islahi has shown, contextualization gives to countless verses a construction different from the one usually placed on them; it throws new light not only on the doctrinal and creedal aspects of the Quranic message but also on the methodological aspects of the message; it lends new significance not only to the moral and legal injunctions of the Quran but also to the stories and parables narrated by the Quran; and it affords a deep insight not only into the continually changing style and tone of the Quran but also into the varied patterns of logic it employs.[/quote]

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