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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]23:32 I didn't say legacies didn't have top grades scores. What happens is if there is a student with similar grades and scores, the school often selects the legacy over the non-legacy. Separately, it's a well-known fact that recruited athletes are held to a lower standard for test scores and grades.

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10:00 here. This, if you don't have the time to read my math example. If there are two identical kids, and both are on the bubble, the legacy kid has a higher chance of getting in than the non-legacy. This is a well-known fact that has been documented in various books and newspaper investigations into admissions committee decision-making.

I disagree a bit on the athletic recruits. The lower bar may be true of 2nd-tier universities or big sports schools (see the UNC thread), but I don't think it's true of athletic recruits at the top-most selective universities. I didn't mention in my 10:00 that my totally unhooked (non-legacy, non-athlete, non-URM) DC is at one of those widely-discussed schools that takes 7% of kids.  The athletic recruits that entered the same university with DC, that DC knows from her high school and from DMV-area meetups of admitted students, come from TJ, the Blair magnet and, to a lesser extent (surprisingly, to me) the top area privates. Also, many are NMSSFs. These athletic recruits are stellar kids by any measure. So, although I haven't read this anywhere and my pool of knowledge is limited to DMV-area athletic recruits to this one most-selective college, my impression is that at the top-most selective universities, being an athlete is sort of like being a legacy: it gives you an advantage over an otherwise identical (stats-wise) kid. [/quote]

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