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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]this is the thing--if you did some testing or competitive application at the end of elementary school there would still be some kids who would be eligible to go even from the worst schools (esp. if you did a broad cutoff and then lotteried after that or did top 5% of students from each school as an alternative). waiting til high school makes it impossible for those children.

-signed, person from asian country where poor parents were able to go to great schools and college because of testing[/quote]

Yes testing, constant testing is part of the Asian system, but very few parents, white or black would tolerate what Asian parents put there kids through.  Maybe the parents at Basis.  Personally after reading Amanda Riply's book I can see why it makes sense to do that level of rigorous testing, but I can't imagine it happening.  Can you imagine  a situation where every test  has the grades ranked for each child with their name in public?  Parents could not cope with the humiliation of that failure.  First we would need to stop giving trophies for just playing and saying good job for everything.  Too big a challenge. No matter what the issue is the weak elementrys, you can do another high functioning Deal if you have strong elementary schools.  Some of the issue is poverty, but it is also getting richer more focused curriculum. [/quote]

you've got that model wrong.  It's not all winners and losers.  Even with rankings, there are clear performance baselines in these testing regimes.  Many parents will be fine with their kids in the middle or bottom of a pack where most of the children succeed because they understand the material.  If none succeed, who cares if about being on top?[/quote]

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