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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I get that if you want to be on a CEO track or make big bucks on Wall Street, Ivy names could open more doors. But if you’re pursuing medical research, tech, natural sciences, are Ivies (undergrad) really that much better than  schools a tier below?

With AI changing everything, is old-guard Ivy prestige still as important as it has been before? [/quote]

The quality and breadth of basic science research at a Harvard, MIT, Cal Tech, Hopkins is going to be pretty hard to match outside of a few flagships - Michigan, UCLA, UCSD.[/quote]

At the undergrad level? There are at least a dozen schools that could offer better research opportunities than Harvard does. [/quote]
Absolutely not. There are not a dozen non-ivy schools that are better at providing undergrad research experience than even the worst ivy for research. [/quote]

There are a dozen SLACs which will provide better basic undergraduate research opportunities than an Ivy. Top R1 labs are not in place to support undergraduates and undergraduates are inefficient when you have a large supply of grad students to work in your labs. There are always some opportunities for undergraduate research at top R1s (it isn't absolute) but it's not the be all and end all that too many people believe. [/quote]

This is such a stupid fallacy on DCUM. Repeated by the same people. I like SLACs, mine applied to top ones and ivy/elites. Top R1s get students real research as early as freshman year, and if they stay 2-3 semesters or a summer in the same lab they can get published. The students often help write the papers and are appropriately designated as authors. The top R1s usually pay the students for these positions. Almost every professor, humanities too, allows at least one undergrad in the lab, bigger labs have more, paired one to one with postdocs. It is not just the ivy/elites, UVa and other R1s have similar though sometimes bigger schools have more competition to get an undergrad spot. [/quote]

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