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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's not 1950. There are lots of schools that are as good and often better than the Ivy schools. [b]Job and grad school outcomes are the same. [/b]But more important is fit. Both of my kids chose T20 non-Ivy colleges because they were better schools for them and their interests.

These days tons of students choose MIT, Stanford, Vanderbilt, CalTech, Duke, Rice, Williams, Chicago, Pomona, Northwestern, and Notre Dame over Ivy schools. And if they are STEM you can add Georgia Tech, Berkeley, Harvey Mudd, and Michigan to the list. These are all very rational alternatives to the Ivy schools.   [/quote]

That is a lot of copium. There are multiple studies that show ivy+ about 5 other schools do much better for the most elite outcomes than schools not in that group. Half on your list are ivy level and the others are simply not. They are not targets of top companies nor do they place as well into T5 law and med. 
Some students chase the very top outcomes and there is nothing wrong with that. 
In 2025 and even 2024, a distinct shift toward school name happened, first with CS and now with the rest. Hiring slowed at lower ranked schools first. It will continue. Down economies always lead to a hiring preference from the best schools. 
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I know this will blow your mind or you won't allow yourself to believe it, but there are many people who don't want to be part of the elite world.  You'll give some blah blah blah answer about jealousy, because you are so emotionally and ethically limited and you just can't conceive that many people value other things. The people in the "elite" world are almost all complete a-holes.  And now we know, they're all pedos, too.[/quote]

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