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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Here's a summary of the Dartmouth paper. The first chart is a bit hard to read, but for more-advantaged students, those with a 1500 SAT had about a 6% chance of admissions while those at 1550 had about a 10% chance. So meaningful. Note, this isn't all-else-equal, meaning that the 1550 kids might have been stronger in other areas. Still, which would you rather be?

I'd re-take IF I thought a higher score was possible. But people also reach their limits and hitting your head against the ceiling may not be helpful emotionally.

https://www.nber.org/digest/202504/test-optional-policies-and-disadvantaged-students?page=1&perPage=50
[quote=Anonymous]On this forum I have seen posts claiming that Dartmouth published their data that demonstrated how incremental changes after 1500 did lead to higher acceptance rate at Dartmouth. One can argue its correlation as opposed to causation, but as an engineering faculty for many years I believe there is a tangible difference in how fast/well a new concept is learned and in exam performance between a student with a 780 math and another with a 720 assuming these scores are their ceiling after multiple attempts and assuming they have worked reasonably hard in the class.[/quote][/quote]

It definitely looks correlation not causation.  The same trend you described is also observed when scores are omitted (solid red line).  The increase in admit rate is due to the other parts of the application.  [/quote]

THIS!

Further, you can compare red solid line with red dash line.  It couldn't be more clear.  
The jump in admit rate is significant in red solid line after 1475+.  The jump in admit rate is insignificant in red dash line 1475+.  
Excluding test scores, the advantaged students have a more compelling application than the disadvantaged students.[/quote]

Agree with correlation not causation, with one caveat.

SAT test score [b]only [/b]matters for disadvantaged students (but [b]not [/b]for advantaged one)! 
You can derive this conclusion by comparing blue dash line with red dash line.
The mere difference between blue dash line and red dash line is submission of the test score, where you clearly see a huge difference in admit rates, day and night.

If the student is FGLI, getting 1550+ easily makes them a super star.
For DMV MC kids, unfortunately no.  1580 is not different from 1500 except for Caltech or MIT.  
But at Caltech or MIT, 1580 is table stake.[/quote]

Agree. Which is why all of the $$$ counselors spend so much time creating your 1550-80 kid's "resume". Because they too know that it doesn't matter. But the resume matters a whole lot more than 50 more points on the SAT.[/quote]

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