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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People love to second guess. I used to have a friend who when young did TNT in NYC (Tactical Narcotics Team (TNT): back when NYC was at peak crime. They would have no knock warrants and litterally kick in doors in NYC Bronx, Harlem, Brooklyn worst areas. Kids would be throwing cinderblocks off roofs on them as they came and people shooting out windows in projects at them. When they kicked the door it could be 50 guys with weapons, booby traps waiting to attack. or could be civillians mixed in. He did it when young for awhile and it was the most scary thing he did for two reasons. He was scared of collateral damage he could not live with and scared of being shot 50 hours a week.

and they are reason NYC got very safe. It is similar to what is going on now. Dinkins and Bloomberg and Deblasio cut back on TNT and Stop and Frisk and crime just went back up.

It is no win.     [/quote]

It’s insane to me that you don’t understand the difference between what he was doing and what’s being done now.[/quote]

Same thing. ICE is going after murder, rapists, drug dealers, gang members and civilians get in way. When I friend kicked open door at TNT they were kids, wife sometimes in crossfire.

I lived in NYC at time and ended up cutting through Harlem late at night and TNT was going a bust. It is a funny story I had a dented 1969 big black Plymouth I used to drive to NYC so car would not get stolen. At four am cutting through a really bad side street all at once a huge scary drug dealer flies in front of my car I slam my brakes and miss him by an inch and in that moment tnt bounced his head off my car and cuff him and they yell thanks for assist.

Why would you bring a gun and camera to something like that? Those cops were jacked up chasing an armed  drug dealer at 4 am. I saw a loose Pitt Bull the guy set loose too. [/quote]

I think the program started under Giuliani after the city was so tired of Dinkins and the level of tolerated crime - resulting in middle class flight.
There were lots of similar complaints about due process, legal maneuverings, etc. but the result is the city flourished. The middle class stayed.
All the people complaining about due process and the law were champagne socialists who didn't have to live with the outcome of tolerated crime. They could hide behind their doormen, afford to park their car in garages (break ins were an everyday occurance), send their kids to private, etc...

I see parallels today. The limousine liberals protesting against ICE don't have to live in neighborhoods increasingly filled with undocumented and can afford to either send their child to private or break their backs trying to buy into the highest bracket home they could afford for a public school that doesn't have to devote assets to struggling students. [/quote]

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