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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We need actual classes for kids who need more support. Not everyone needs to be integrated. I've seen these kids in ES who are allowed to wander around and be extremely disruptive. Least restrictive does not work for everyone. We had a kid throwing chairs in ES for 2 years. That kids needs so much more and by MS and HS it would be a serious problem. [/quote]
I seriously doubt the kids with diagnoses and behavioral plans are the kids getting suspended.[/quote]

Not quite. If you look at suspension data, many of the kids who get suspended are in fact special needs. The most disciplined students in MCPS are Black, male and special needs. There's clearly a correlation with suspension data and being special needs, which suggests the way MCPS is supposedly supporting or not supporting special needs students is not working.[/quote]
This would be a double standard if such kids don't get suspended for let's say bringing a weapon to school but a white kid who brings a weapon to school does get suspended.  Or if such a kid wasn't suspended for being violent, but a Hispanic kid is suspended for the same thing.[/quote]

The disparities in suspension generally don't tend to happen for the extreme examples like bringing a weapon to school. It's the more lower level offenses such as "disrupting the classroom" or "disrespect" where you see Black kids suspended more than White kids.[/quote]

Isn’t it possible that the kids are getting suspended based on their behaviors and not due to skin color? It’s a fact that more minority students join gangs. It’s a fact that home discipline in lower educated areas tends to have more violence. So maybe the issue is not the schools, but the kids? Schools cannot change home life!

And how is not having consequences helping these kids for the future? No workplace is going to allow a fraction of the discipline issues that are in schools right now![/quote]

Do you have any idea how many badly behaving white boys routinely terrorize elementary classrooms and get away with it? I know several parents who complain about this, as the school gives the boy and his family infinite chances to throw tantrums, furniture and threaten to harm their peers.

You clearly have not looked at actual research on this issue nor are you in touch with what's happening in classrooms.[/quote]

We had the exact same experience, but with a black child. He threw desks, chairs, and my daughter’s classroom was routinely evacuated. He had “infinite chances”.

My point is you can find an example about a white child, I have a direct example of a black child, I’m sure other people have direct examples of Latino children.

[b]Every child should be held to the same standard of behavior.[/b]
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Sure. I agree. And the data, which is national, state and local, shows that every child is NOT being held to the same standard of behavior. Hence the conversation about racial disparities.

If every child was being held to the same standard, we'd see a lot more White boys suspended and expelled on par with Black boys, since there's a growing body of evidence that boys developmentally engage in aggressive play and behaviors that can be deemed "disruptive," and yet, we don't see that.

When a precocious White boy talks back, it's deemed as cute. When a Black boy does it, it's disrespect.

These things are well documented and researched. If you aren't familiar with the information, go look at it.[/quote],

Any of these behaviors are unacceptable and need be addressed.  Full stop. It does no favors to anyone if children are unable to emotionally regulate, no matter their circumstances.  Maybe the system needs to allow a break from schooling to help address what is causing the behavior instead of sweeping it under the rug. Suspending them obviously isn’t working.  That is why I despise people like Mink and Jawando.  Their big mouths are filled with little to no substance or actual support.  It’s all performative.  They are just as much to blame for this happening.  
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