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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am frequently in Riverside Park and to a lesser extent Central Park where I believe dogs are allowed off leash before 9 am and there are many dog runs. [b]I often see people walking with their dogs off leash in the middle of the day when the park is fairly crowded[/b]. I'm 95% sure the dogs are harmless but as the parent of a child who was very afraid of dogs for years, I do not appreciate this. There is a time and a place. The dog can run around in the dog run or early in the morning. It is not torture for the dog to be on a leash. You might know that your dog is harmless but others don't. And for some, the mere act of an unleashed dog running at them to play is still frightening.

Note that i grew up in the suburbs with a dog that loved to jump on people and wouldn't hurt a soul. So I get the joke.[/quote]

I find this surprising. I rarely see this.

Almost never that I can recall in fact.

If your dd has a phobia, that is something to work on as a parent, no? [/quote]

A) On average I see at least one dog off leash every time I go. Sorry you don't see this. Maybe you aren't looking closely enough.
B) We have worked on the phobia (it is my son, by the way - not sure why you assumed it was a daughter - you know what happens when you assume). My child is now largely over it, partially thanks to a very kind neighbor with a sweet dog who has taken the time to let my son become comfortable with his dog. But my child is not alone in this. Your child has no fears, challenges, or issues? They've managed to overcome having a jerk like you as a parent? If you even found someone dumb enough to procreate with you?
C) There are rules. People who have their dog off leash when they are supposed to be on leash are breaking the rules. There are plenty of times and places where dogs can be off leash. Full stop.
D) Your condescending, patronizing tone is not appreciated. Let me guess. Your precious Rover loves to be off leash and thus the whole world must stop to accommodate you. I think the city has come up with a pretty nice compromise with dedicated off leash hours and dog runs. If you don't like it, move to the suburbs and fence in a yard. Good riddance.[/quote]

Wow, so defensive!

I rarely see dogs off leash in busy areas. Then again, I’m not looking to be angry about a dog off leash that is not bothering me, so perhaps I don’t see them. Perhaps you are overly sensitive to the issue and focus on it?

I see dogs off leash at *less* busy times and/or areas, and I don’t mind them. I’m not the only who appreciates this btw; as I mentioned, there is a community of dog owners who have found each other and who congregate. So you want to ruin it for everyone because your dc has an irrational fear of dogs?

As far as whether it is a dd or ds who has a phobia, who who cares what the gender is? The point is that you are trying to control others because of your child’s needs.

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NP: Insulting a child by calling a fear irrational? Really? How low class can you get?

And that is not "ruining it for everyone." It is ruining it for dog owners who have an irrational fear of keeping their dog on a leash and doing something for the greater good.

You are a truly small human being. Like Chihuahua small to put it in language you might understand.[/quote]

Wow. Why do you get so angry so quickly? Why make it personal? You immediately rush to insults. It is rather strange.

I don’t see that I insulted a child.. where? But yes, i think if a child has a phobia of something like dogs- who they are bound to see often as we are a society of pet owners- then yes, a good parent would work on that. Why is that so upsetting to you?

Do you have pets? [/quote]

You are unwilling to admit any holes in your argument and are 100% convinced you are right and the world should compromise to your needs. I (and the other poster) am not going to convince you - it is like conversing with a MAGA person who gets their news from Fox News. If you don't see this then it is a lost cause. There is currently a compromise situation. But apparently it is not good enough for you - your way or the highway.

You said their child has an "irrational fear of dogs" - that is insulting. Full stop. Do you know that child's life experiences? There are many children (and adults) who have that fear. In fact, there are likely more of them than there are people who insist on having their dogs off leash during the day in the park. And there is also a difference between a fear of dogs and a fear of dogs off leash. I happen to generally like dogs and owned one for ten years and once saw a very aggressive dog off leash in the middle of the day bound across Riverside Park and gobble up a rat. I was happy to see the rat die but was horrified that a dog with those aggressive instincts was off leash in the middle of the day.

I can find some nice real estate in Utica to sell you where your precious pet can roam as much as they want and not bother a soul.
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Umm, that poster described it as a phobia. Does that not imply an irrational fear?

And if you look back at the post that triggered you (yes, you), it was literally one question saying ‘if your dc has a irrational fear of dogs, shouldn’t you help them with that?’ 
and you went NUTS ranting and insulting in response.

Wow.

Not sure what politics has to do with this btw…

Its weird you’re claiming I have extreme views when you’re the one calling 311 
on your neighbors and name calling on here. I’m merely suggesting that there are a group of dog owners who have SAFE dogs who allow them to be off leash in areas that are not heavily populated, and I don’t see what the problem is. I have pretty much never seen an off leash dog in a busy area. [/quote]

Phobias are not irrational. You are fortunate to not have one. And that is not the point here. But you feel the need to obsess over it and play amateur shrink.

I have never called 311, though I have been tempted. I have not been tempted by those whose dogs are peacefully walking right next to them without a leash - I wish these people would follow the rules but I'm not some rule obsessed nut job who is going to make a scene. For the situation like what I noted with the dog above that went bounding off to kill an animal, that is not OK.

If people are in some remote corner of a park far from anyone else, and they are 100% convinced their dog will stay close, I'm not losing sleep over this.

I find it very hard to believe you have never seen people in Riverside Park on the promenade with dogs off leash. And why you are so dismissive of my observations. I am out there several weekends a month and see it almost every time.

Bottom line, can we agree that in a busy area during the middle of the day, all dogs, no matter how peaceful you think they are (but particularly larger ones and breeds that tend to be more energetic), should be on leash? I think that is what we are getting at.[/quote]

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