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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]DD is a good student with mostly As as well as 4s and 5s on AP tests. She would like to apply only test-optional. Do you think this is going to be *severely* limiting when it comes to applications next year? Will more and more colleges require scores? Or do you think that the "demographic cliff" will cushion requirements for testing? She is at a MoCo public HS, and we are full-pay. [/quote]

It really depends on the schools she wants to apply to. If outside the top 70 or so, TO is not a problem, especially if she is submitting 4s and 5s on AP tests.

But she seems to test pretty well in advanced classes. So it sounds like she just doesn't want to bother with the ACT or SAT.

Which, duh. Absolutely no high school student wants to take the SAT/ACT. If they could all check out, they would. But they put their heads down, and do it. So in comparison to her classmates and the millions of other students that take the test, she's going to come across as lame and lazy if she's submitting 5s on AP tests but refuses to take the SAT/ACT.

My suggestion is to take practice and timed ACT and SAT tests on a Saturday morning.[b] As others have noted, the ACT is easier, but faster. The SAT is harder, but slower. [/b]Try each. It's probably not as bad as she thinks it is. And every practice score can be substantially improved with some preparation. Take whichever test she prefers. And then she preserves all her options. Rando unhooked kids from the "burbs who don't submit scores are going to have a problem at the more selective schools. [/quote]

Have a doctor write a note for extra time, then take the ACT. Bingo.

I'd say at least 50% of the wealthy kids in our nabe did this. (well, their parents did)[/quote]
Getting accommodations is a lot more complicated than a doctor note.[/quote]

In NY you just need a doctor to sign off on a 504 for "anxiety."[/quote]

I don’t understand.  If this is as simple as signing off a doctor note, why is it a wealthy kid thing?  Any kid could get it if they want it?[/quote]

You need a psychologist or psychiatrist to sign off - not just a primary doctor's note. And many of these doctors don't take insurance. So it's become a rich family thing. Find the right shrink, pay them their thousands, get the useful diagnosis, and get what you need. It's like the opioid doctors from a few years ago. Bring them the money, and you'll get any diagnosis you need. Shrinks that don't take insurance are, by and large, very accommodating when it comes to pay to play. Which is to say, most of them. It's not difficult to get special accommodations for your kid - in NYC especially.

I'm sure RFK jr will get right on it. But in the meantime, it's another way the wealthy game things. [/quote]

This is a WILD exaggeration. I occasionally read that on DCUM, and I'm sorry this sort of thing persists. Perhaps PPs have written a lot of these posts over the years.

One of my kids had his processing speed measured at the 4th percentile. He has severe ADHD, autism and dyscalculia. He has a double time accommodation, and he uses it. By repeating your accusations that testing accommodations are exploited by a certain group, you are leading others to harbor suspicions of all families whose children have SN. Don't do that!

Also, yes, it's obvious that kids from poor or uninformed families will not be able to benefit from legitimate accommodations because of financial or knowledge barriers. Isn't that what happens in all categories of activity? The ones who can afford services and know they need it... will make the most of their access. I wish it were otherwise, but that's life. But it does not follow that this access is illegitimate or undeserved!

Finally, do not accuse psychologists of lying. That's the worst accusation you've made in your post, because it goes against their code of professional ethics. We are a doctor/scientist household, and we know plenty of psychologists. [b]NONE[/b] of them would ever participate in a pay-to-play scheme. That is entirely contrary to their scientific training! I accept that you can find dishonest people in every profession, but to casually assume that vast swathes of this one make up diagnoses for money is INSANE.

So check yourself, PPs. You're entirely out of line.

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How do you know what they are doing in their offices??? -NP[/quote]

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