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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You people really need to give it a rest. If your kid was driven enough in high school to get themselves into an Ivy they don't need mommy getting so into the weeds of their classes that they know they're "struggling" in two classes and are already worrying -- one month into the kid's college career -- what the grades are going to be. Give it a rest man. [b]And why the need to mention that it's an Ivy, by the way? You couldn't have asked the same question without having to drop that the kid is at an Ivy?[/b] [/quote] Because a student at say a JMU has a very different range of opportunities available to them than a student at an ivy. It's relevant, so calm down. It would be more relevant if we knew which ivy. Five classes freshman fall = not Harvard.[/quote] By your logic grades matter MORE at an Ivy than elsewhere. And that's bullshit. [/quote] Your first sentence is likely accurate. There's a huge opportunity cost to getting bad grades at an ivy. You go from a potential recruit at MBB to looking for jobs on indeed like any other schlub. That's a huge incentive to get good grades.[/quote] This is insanely uninformed thinking.[/quote] How so?[/quote] NP. Because it underestimates the life-long value of an Ivy education, including name recognition, network, and all the assumptions that come with that. Also, yours is a perfect example of anxiety-driven, all-or-nothing catastrophic thinking. Textbook “how not to do life.” To state the obvious, there are a million options between MBB and being unemployed. And your fear of immediately plummeting to “schlub” status with the peons of society is sad. And offensive. There are endless ways to succeed at life. On many different timelines. Anyone who thinks it’s MBB-or-just is truly uneducated about life. [/quote] My point may have been a bit exaggerated, and I don't want to discount your excellent arguments above, but I maintain that the opportunity cost of not doing well in OCR is quite substantial, and bad grades are a barrier to that. If this weren't true, [b]there wouldn't be so much pressure to grade inflate[/b]. Sure, you can put together a good career without MBB/IB/whatever as your first job, but it's easier with it, and an ivy undergrad gives you a leg up on that if your grades are good. You can leave that money on the table, but that's an opportunity cost by definition.[/quote] Grade inflation in college is less about OCR and more about b extension of the college admissions rat race. These poor kids who end up at T25 schools have been conditioned since age 13 (if not earlier) that they need to have as close to a 4.0 as possible to get into a “good school.” That mindset doesn’t just disappear when they get to college five years later. It’s hardwired in to their view of the world. (In a few words: fearful, anxious, and risk-averse.) College grade inflation is in part a response to these increasingly fragile kids (brilliant though they are) and their parents, who together have come to believe that anything less than perfect or optimal equals failure. 😢 This is the opposite of emotional resilience. OCR is the least of it. Our kids deserve better from us as parents.[/quote]
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