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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It all stems from abortion. I truly believe that.

A conversation with a fellow liberal made me think. He said that if the left had someone like Trump, they would get the same kind of following. Of course I was appalled and disagreed. But then he said, “Think about it. What if someone came along who would and could massively reduce gun violence, secure our reproductive rights, and even say the quiet parts out loud to the entire world.” I pointed out that reducing gun violence would save so many lives, and so would reproductive rights. And he pointed out that this is how they feel about abortions. They believe every abortion is murdering a baby. If you believed that, is there anything that would be more important to you? It made me think. I have to admit that I would probably be willing to put up with and justify a lot from someone who could accomplish those things.

I am NOT trying to make excuses or justify maga. I am still disgusted, disappointed, and confused by their loyalty to Trump. But it did give me a slightly different perspective. [/quote]

You almost got it. Anti-abortion was a niche Catholic idea until republicans created it as a wedge issue and ran a campaign to brainwash a generation of scientifically illiterate people to believe abortion is murder, so they would turn off their brains completely regarding every other issue.  It was a scam from the start.[/quote]

Maybe so but I talked to the democratic committee running Hillary's campaign and said she didnt even agree to the Hyde Amendment. Why push the envelope on this issue which didnt need to be changed? Why weren't they ok with the status quo on abortion. It was obvious to me that it was a wedge issue and not important.  The answer was they wanted to push the limits and see what they could do because they thought they would win and didnt rrally have to br strategic. It was a massively poor decision after also creating financial and international problems for the country as well as all the inmigrants. There are people in that party just like the Republicans who will not stop until everyone believes in their world order. Its not enough just to allow 90 percent of whatever a need is be legal and have a few needs in the country go unmet. People push the envelope and end up falling off a cliff. I hope those members who helped Hillary have done some self reflection on this issue but doubtful. Its always someone else. Maybe the Republicans will make the same blunder. I dont know. I think they are more strategic and realize they can be outnumbered by a younger generation turning quickly. Hopefully another wedge issue will come along the Democrats can leech onto. These groups will never learn. Most people want the country in the middle and so really both of these groups are outnumbered by the middle making pushing the envelope the only way to power. [/quote]

It's a simple formula: talk up the threat posed by social outsiders ("groomers"), take harsh stances on Law and Order issues, and be Pro Life.

This isn't specifically a Republican thing. Democrats did this for an entire century after the Reconstruction. MAGAs are basically pre-Civil Rights Acts Democrats.[/quote]

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