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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Look email the teacher. The thing with the kid getting violent etc is that the kid more than likely has an IEP for learning disability plus emotional behavioral disorder. The parents want the kid mainstreamed but the kid needs services and are receiving them. There’s not much you can do besides request your child not be in the same class with that kid. At recess, it’s not fair game but what every parent says I don’t want my kid to have recess with the school wild child that’s unreasonable and unrealistic for all the kids. Likely what hopefully happens is after K and 1st the kid gets better social control of themselves or they end up at like Burke school. The thing is you can’t just shove kids into a program without clear support for why. Maybe he does need more support but for now they need to document to get him there and also to show the parents that the current learning environment is not the best one for the child. You gotta remember sometimes parents are their kids own worst enemies because they want to prevent their kid from being defined as different.

Idk why people say inmates run the asylum this is just how things work. It’s complicated but we can’t just assume because Jimmy walks out to recess one day and starts punching over kids because he wants to use the slide that Jimmy should be somewhere else. But idk this thread some people seem like we shouldn’t even wait to see if it happens like that. Oh that kids wild get him away from kid and to special place. But I think we all know that in the real world, there’s all sorts of people out there some with and without issues[/quote]

This is hogwash. If the entire staff has not been trained then I’d argue the school isn’t even equipped to handle this level of care, that lack of training alone should result in immediate outside placement. I’ve worked in the worst schools you can imagine, the difference is the ENTIRE SCHOOL was trained for this. Rarely, VERY rarely, did student to student contact take place. Not because problems didn’t happen-they did multiple times per day- but because they trained us. Very well. Student to student contact is like the worst thing that can happen. You don’t just sit around and allow that to continue.

Teachers and parents saying this is just how it goes is absurd and borderline negligent. The adults need to make noise, lots of noise. Empower your children, give them an out. You don’t just tell them to sit there and wait to be victimized. If that were my child I’d tell them to say I’m not safe here I’ll be in the office and leave immediately. Every single time Larlo starts acting out or they feel unsafe. Let the school call me and complain about my child seeking refuge, I’m here for it.

I learned in public schools if there is enough disruption to the point of chaos for other students and staff changes get made. Every adult involved needs to be protecting these children, the ones exhibiting the problem behavior and others in the school. They need to be complaining and reporting this and requesting assessments where applicable and refusing to work without proper training. It’s not hard to be injured when students are like this and it happens very quickly and once it escalates it’s often difficult to deescalate. You’re placing the children and adults in danger if you’re passively doing nothing. This is unacceptable.[/quote]

If you ever taught in FCPS or tried to raise an issue in FCPS, you'd know that the [i]only[/i] thing they respond to is negative press from major outlets, or laws from Richmond. Anything less and they send you form email responses (if that) and ignore you. That goes for both teachers and parents, emails to Gatehouse-level staff and the school board. There are very rare exceptions, and the one I'm thinking of off the top of my head (Megan McLaughlin) retired from the SB already.

The lack of response doesn't go for admin and teachers at schools, in my experience. They really are trying. But above that, starting at the region principals? They really, really, really don't care.[/quote]

If they were actually trying then that child would not have been able to touch the other students much less injure them. [/quote]

As quoted PP indicated, there's a certain amount of training that goes into keeping students from hurting each other without hurting a student in turn. Can you imagine the hue and cry if a teacher accidentally injured a violent SPED student while trying to keep them from hurting someone? After all those restraint and seclusion articles in the past few years? It would be nightmarish for that teacher.[/quote]

I’m familiar with restraint and seclusion, those types of incidents occur when the teachers aren’t trained. Which is exactly the problem with FCPS. [/quote]

Yes.  The current idea is that you remove the rest of the class. Therefore, there is no one for the child to hit or kick.

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There is still the issue of causing harm to self or teachers in the room. There is zero excuse not to be trained if that is happening. Removing everyone else isn’t /shouldn’t be a long term solution, it’s what you do in the moment when you have no other immediate solution. However you also have to then go look at the situation and figure out a better plan, this isn’t it. No wonder people don’t want to work there.[/quote]

I'm betting all these people who think "training" would fix the problem have never been in a classroom with this issue.

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