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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Of course Metro always wants to get Open bids so congrats to Paramount on that achievement, but if your contention is that Paramount 16s going 3-7 and coming in 33rd in Open was a better tournament performance than Metro 16 Travel going 9-2 and coming in 2nd in National or Paramount 15s going 1-8 and coming in 29th in Open was a better tournament performance than Metro 15 Travel going 11-0 and coming in 1st in National, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. [/quote]
Let's look at the national rankings of the teams these Metro and Paramount 15, 16 teams played against at Nationals:

Metro 15 Travel is ranked 18th nationally, and they beat 11 teams in the 15 National Division, with these national rankings: 
232 W, 186 W, 100 W, 452 W, 90 W, 87 W, 108 W, 61 W, 29 W, 10 W, 47 W

Paramount 15-1 is ranked 116th nationally, and their record in the 15 Open Division is:
5 L, 3 L, 26 L, 25 L, 38 L, 33 W, 39 L, 32 L, 16 L

Metro 16 is ranked 39 nationally, and their record in the 16 National Division is:
214 W, 408 W, 193 W, 169 W, 17 L, 195 W, 101 W, 49 W, 58 W, 17 W, 11 L

Paramount 16-1 is ranked 38 nationally, and their record in the 16 Open Division is:
1 L, 52 W, 98 L, 6 L, 7 L, 50 W, 24 L, 104 L, 184 W, 179 L

It's obvious the competition in Open is tougher.

I don't know the teams well, and I know the rankings are not perfect. But based on these rankings, I can make these rough observations:

Metro 15 (18) underperformed because it should have been in the Open (top 36 teams).

Paramount 15-1 (116) overperformed because it made into the Open.

Metro 16 (39) beat teams ranked below it and one team ranked above it (17), so you can say it overperformed.

Paramount 16-1 (38) made into the Open (top 36 teams), but it underperformed in the Open as it lost to a number of teams ranked below it.[/quote]

AES rankings mean nothing. It’s just an algorithm. USAV doesn’t even use AES rankings to seed the Open Divisions [/quote]

I get that Open is higher than National and that both Metro and Paramount make it known that Open bids are the goal, but I think it says something about the general attitude of Paramount as a club and its supporters, that they are bending over backwards to criticize these teams that won and were runners-up in the second highest division at nationals. They have been suspiciously quiet about Metro 17 Travel that brought home a medal for 3rd place in 17 Open. A PP said it further up this thread, shouldn't all CHRVA teams be rooting for other CHRVA teams to succeed?  Isn't a stronger region better for all of the local clubs in the long run?

I thought it was a great achievement that CHRVA had a team qualified in every Open division at Nationals. In addition to the Paramount and Metro Open bids being discussed, MDJRs 14s had an Open bid as did Blue Ridge 13s. I don't know whether that has ever happened before in CHRVA history. If CHRVA teams want to consistently be in the running for an Open national championship, then we need more competitive clubs locally. If Paramount out competes Metro and takes over the top spot in CHRVA, then great, but tearing down Metro so Paramount can take that spot is a loss for everyone.[/quote]

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