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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My sister paid for her son to a prep class but stopped it because they just go over questions from commercially available practice books.  She and her husband prepped my nephew for a few month and he got 160 NNAT and 140+ cogat.

Under their advice, I prepped my son (one grade behind his cousin) with practice book.  The only prep was scoring his practice and going over the wrong answers with him.  The questions are straight forward, the only thing I "taught" him was process of elimination.  My son got the similar result as his cousin.

I think it's mainly up to the kids to perform. [/quote]

Why did you and your sister think your kids needed prepping to get a high score? [/quote]

Because we are responsible parents. [/quote]

+1. Prepping is NOT a crime. It just makes kids smarter than before… and so what? If you think it gives others an “advantage” then prep your kid yourself… Prepping does nothing other than give more knowledge. And that’s what you’re in school for right? To learn. Why can’t we learn at home too? Again. Prepping is allowed, makes kids knowledgeable, and NOT a crime![/quote]

Nobody said it was a crime, but you are cheating to try to game the system. Aptitude/IQ tests are not designed to be prepped for, and doing so invalidates the results. You know this, or you wouldn’t have prepped your kids to try to inflate their score to get them into a program they likely don’t belong in. You’re the reason this whole “holistic” process now weighs the HOPE score so heavily. The testing can’t be trusted anymore. [/quote]

Where does it say that it is cheating?[/quote]

Some people just think IT IS OKAY TO do private lessons for swimming or baseball or basketball but prep for AAP is CHEATING! [/quote]

Yes, most people train and practice for sports. Most students study for subject tests on academics, and many hire tutors to achieve mastery of curriculum. That’s not cheating, that’s called learning. Aptitude/IQ tests, however, are something different, as they are intended to accurately measure innate strengths and weaknesses to identify giftedness, intellectual or learning disability, etc. Prepping for such tests invalidates accuracy, which is clearly the intent of pepper parents like yourself. [/quote]

Do you have a source or just your understanding?[/quote]

The wisc-v administration and scoring manual, the testing parameters delineated by clinicians administering the tests, and basic knowledge of protocols for IQ testing. You can also google it yourself to find the answer. [/quote]

It’s nowhere in google.

If you cite your sources you’ll positively contribute to the discussion, and actually put an end to it.

Now knowing the actual test questions beforehand is certainly cheating, but I think it’s clear no one here is talking about the actual test questions.

Again, please help by providing the citations. [/quote]

DP here, "nowhere in google" my a$$

Googled "does prepping a child for the cogat affect the accuracy of the results" and it summarizes the results as:

[i]"Yes, prepping a child for the CogAT (Cognitive Abilities Test) can affect the accuracy of the results, though the extent varies. While some practice can familiarize children with the test format and reduce anxiety, excessive preparation may artificially inflate scores and potentially mask a child's true cognitive abilities."[/i]

and concludes with:

[i]"In essence, while some level of preparation can be helpful, it's crucial to avoid excessive practice that could compromise the accuracy of the CogAT results. The goal is to provide a comfortable and familiar environment for the child to showcase their natural cognitive abilities"[/i]

That's obviously just Google's AI summary of the various linked docs, and I didn't see any links to specific studies or peer-reviewed research, but perhaps they exist within the linked pages or deeper in the search results.  But it's also just kind of a "yeah no kidding" obvious point, and to say it's "nowhere in google" is quite disingenuous.[/quote]

You are googling the wrong thing. The claim was that prep invalidates the score. The only thing remotely close to that claim is this sentence from https://www.heliosschool.org/admissions/assessments#:~:text=After%20the%20test%2C%20praise%20their,engagement%20in%20the%20testing%20session.

“Therefore, exposing your student to test content would invalidate the test results and make them ineligible to retest for at least a year.”

Please note: it talks about exposing the child to test content. Knowing the questions beforehand is clearly cheating.

I don’t know where you’d find the actual questions, but we regular folk don’t have access to actual questions.

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Prepping invalidates accuracy of scoring. You know this or you wouldn’t prep your kid to artificially inflate their score in order to get them into a program they don’t qualify for/need. You’re defensive because you cheated. [/quote]

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