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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why not just have a seasonal migrant visa program - but one where the visa holders do not count for purposes of electoral college votes, Congressional seats, and federal funds?  Migrants who were here illegally and deported go to the back of the line for a green card. Any migrant who is convicted of a felony is barred from the US forever. [/quote]

Also, migrants must buy seasonal health insurance and cannot receive any public assistance. No birthright citizenship for any kids born in the US while on a migrant visa.

You come, you work, and you leave. Everyone wins. [/quote]

Heaven forbid we hire American workers.[/quote]

These seasonal cheap labor jobs have only ever been done by migrants, poor recent immigrants, or oppressed minorities. They are shitty jobs with low pay and bad working conditions that Americans with any other option would never do. [/quote]

Then THAT is the issue we should be trying to solve. NOT making it allowable to import foreign workers to exploit. Maybe they shouldn't be shitty jobs with shitty pay that no American is willing to do. If we were truly about free markets, those jobs should go undone until the employers get their act together and start paying real wages. Allowing them to import people we all allow them to underpay is not a solution. [/quote]

There aren't the unemployed numbers needed to slot into these roles. But child labor, right? Your post is beyond naive.[/quote]

Lol calling me naive while you squawk propaganda at me. You actually believe we dont have enough workers here to feed ourselves? The agricultural and hotel industries actually need to bring in foreign workers that conveniently cost much less than American workers? You believe that? [/quote]

Sure. There’s a big unemployed population out there (or willing to leave their jobs) to do hard seasonal labor working the fields if only the price was right. And, of course, the consumers are sitting there ready to pay even higher grocery prices. If only you were in charge of this fantasy land…[/quote]

Like I said to another poster, I understand that it's a layered and complex issue that would take a lot of different approaches to untangle. I just don't think continuing to import foreign labor to be exploited so we the industries can keep profiting and we can continue enjoying artifically low prices is THE solution we should go with.

It upsets me to hear one side argue that these people are criminals and monsters who deserve to be rounded up like cattle, and the other side arguing for them to be able to stay in order to continue be exploited for economic reasons. Surely there are solutions that can benefit American workers, and that don't involve exploiting poor foreigners just trying to survive like everyone else. It's just those solutions don't benefit big business, so of course it's a non-starter. I tire of us constantly pretending that we don't know the root of these problems and thus their solutions. We have a wealth hoarding and exploitation problem masquerading as an immigration problem.[/quote]

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