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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What percent of students do you think get into Ivy leagues who are both:

- completely unhooked and by that I mean, including Rural, first GEN, low income, minority, athletes, feeder schools, come from states that produce few applicants, etc.

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- have zero pushing from parents (to join/start/continue activities, college admissions counselors, essay help, etc) OR anything that results in a curated college app.

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with two unhooked kids at two different ivies, one premed/bio one engineering, in their classes about 75% are unhooked noting that feeder school factor is unknown. less than 25% recruited athletes, they do not personally know any legacies, and the rest of the 25% are FGLI/urm.  In the broader non-stem curriculum courses such as seminar or writing, the percent of unhooked is lower as they have noted many more recruited athletes who on average are not as impressive in the classroom. 
 The feeder school thing is difficult to parse: many privates send less than 10% of unhookeds to ivies/T15 which is more than typical suburban publics but these schools have smarter kids than the average public. Other NE privates send 30% to elite. The Big Name magnet public sends 20%. Where does one draw the line?
Parent involvement is also sticky: we paid for private school, mostly because at a young age it was clear they were each highly gifted and we knew they would need to be challenged. The local top public does not have a good track record on AP passing rates. The private schools have more reading and writing, 8-10 page papers beginning in 8th grade, 30% of the class gets to at least BC calc by 12th. Multivariable calc in high school is a standard "track" among the top 3 privates in the area but not possible at publics other than the STEM magnet which does not have the writing curriculum. No tutors or paid college counselors though that is not needed at a private school. Pushy parents were rampant in the private but the kids usually burnt out. None of the unhooked pushed kids made it to ivy/t15 from our private, they could not keep up with their smarter peers in the hard classes. 
On the EC pushing: for those of us who have kids at ivy/elite, these schools are chock full of driven, self-disciplined young people who know how to lead and are goal-oriented. Most seem like mine: they have been like this forever, and the best things their parents could do is move out of their way at a young age and let them excel in whatever area captures their interest. Most grow and thrive from the challenge of being around a majority of similar minds and ambition, and support each other along the way. Even premed is relatively collaborative at the ivy based on what they have heard from high school friends at large publics.
 There are students who seem burnt out or not able to deal with the driven peers. These are few and far between and it is true they tend not to do well. Posts on the parent FB page and anecdotes from our own make it clear that some students are not independent or resilient enough for the environment. It would be a huge parenting fail to try to push a kid to an ivy/elite.
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