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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm a black, 40-something year old Christian woman (moderate) and this pisses me off. The government shouldn't legislate morality, and the church shouldn't tell me how to vote. Separation of church and state is critical for a reason.

Let people marry who they want to marry under contractual law so they can have the benefits. Let people love who they want to love and hate who they want to hate.

Leave the judging of the moral acts and "sins" of the world to God, and each person's understanding of God.  Leave the governance of our administration's resources in this country and the protection of our civil liberties to government.

Why don't more people object with an argument that this is NOT a separation of church and state?
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[b]Look there is no Christian denomination that supports gay marriage, just[/b] go be another religion. Same with Islam they don't support it either. What's the shock here [/quote]

You are wrong and ignorant, PP. Easily fact checked.

Several Christian denominations support gay marriage. These include:

- Episcopal Church (United States): Officially supports same-sex marriage, allowing clergy to perform and bless these unions since 2015.
- Presbyterian Church (USA): Permits same-sex marriages, with clergy able to officiate since 2014, following a change in its constitution.
- Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA): Supports same-sex marriage, allowing pastors to officiate since 2009, with formal rites adopted later.
- United Church of Christ (UCC): Endorsed same-sex marriage in 2005, encouraging clergy to officiate and advocate for legal recognition.
- Metropolitan Community Church (MCC): Founded with a focus on LGBTQ+ inclusion, it has performed same-sex marriages since its inception in 1968.
- Quakers (some branches): Certain Quaker meetings, particularly in liberal regions like the U.S. and U.K., support and celebrate same-sex marriages.
- Unitarian Universalist Association: While not exclusively Christian, many congregations include Christian members and fully support same-sex marriage.
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You're confusing institutional drift with biblical Christianity. Just because a group calls itself a church or denomination doesn’t mean it’s truly Christian in the historic, biblical sense. The real question is whether it aligns with Scripture — and for the groups you listed, the answer is no.

Let’s be clear: the real, mainstream branches of Christianity — the ones that represent the overwhelming majority of Christians worldwide — all affirm that marriage is between one man and one woman. This has never been controversial in biblical Christianity. These include:

[list]Roman Catholic Church[/list]
[list]Eastern Orthodox Church[/list]
[list]Southern Baptist Convention (SBC)[/list]
[list]Presbyterian Church in America (PCA)[/list]
[list]Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod (LCMS)[/list]
[list]Anglican Church in North America (ACNA)[/list]
[list]Global Methodist Church (GMC)[/list]
[list]Evangelical churches like Assemblies of God, Calvary Chapel, Evangelical Free, etc.[/list]

All of these churches reject same-sex marriage based on clear, consistent biblical teaching (Genesis 2, Matthew 19, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6, etc.). They follow the Bible as their authority and have done so for centuries.

Now let’s take a closer look at the list of so-called “Christian denominations” that support gay marriage. What people often fail to mention is that every one of these groups is either a liberal breakaway from a historic church or not biblically Christian at all.

[list]Episcopal Church (USA): A liberal offshoot of Anglicanism. It caused a major global split, and most Anglicans around the world no longer recognize it. Faithful Anglicans formed the ACNA to remain true to Scripture.[/list]
[list]Presbyterian Church (USA): Not the same as the PCA. PCUSA has been bleeding members for years due to its abandonment of biblical teaching, especially on sexuality.[/list]
[list]Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA): A liberal wing of Lutheranism. The LCMS and WELS remain faithful to Scripture and do not support gay marriage.[/list]
[list]United Church of Christ (UCC): Long ago abandoned biblical orthodoxy. Denies the inerrancy of Scripture, supports universalism, and aligns more with culture than with the Bible.[/list]
[list]Metropolitan Community Church (MCC): Was founded specifically to affirm homosexuality. It was never rooted in orthodox Christian belief and does not represent historic Christianity.[/list]
[list]Quakers (liberal branches): Theologically all over the place. Many liberal Quaker meetings don’t even hold to the Bible as authoritative or affirm the core doctrines of Christianity.[/list]
[list]Unitarian Universalist Association: This is not a Christian church. It denies the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the authority of the Bible. It’s a pluralistic belief system, not Christianity.[/list]

So yes, some liberal groups exist that call themselves Christian and support gay marriage. But they are not representative of biblical Christianity — either because they broke off from it or never followed it to begin with.

The main point here is this: If you're surprised or outraged that the Southern Baptist Convention or other Bible-based churches oppose gay marriage, that’s not unusual or extreme — that’s the norm. This has been the consistent Christian view across nearly every branch of Christianity for over 2,000 years. The real anomaly is the small number of denominations that caved to cultural pressure. The vast majority of Christians around the world and throughout history have stood by the Bible’s teaching on marriage — and still do.[/quote]

Who do you think you are to judge the validity of other people’s religious affiliation? We can just as easily say that you are not a “real” christian and make up a bunch of reasons why. [/quote]

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