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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My family growing up was pretty even split of Republicans, Democrats, Independents. I grew up genuinely believing that there are different approaches and philosophies and priorities but ultimately most people have the same objectives and the same level of investment in the nation's future, and probably the same percentage of heroes and zeros on each side.

Fast forward to 2025: I have been listening to Steven Miller and some of the higher IQ people running the show in the Trump administration and am horrified to see how LYING is the key part of the strategy. (Trump has shown his cluelessness over and over -- never more than in the meeting with Bukele when he asked Steven Miller to confirm that the government had won the Supreme Court hearing 9 to 0, like this is a bizarro world soccer game, and ST Miller lied to his clueless face and said yes -- Trump is obviously not in charge.)

Case in Point: Administration thinks a big publicity stunt will terrify immigrants in the US, Americans, and the rest of the world. Goal: create terror, get the unwanted to flee or never come, and rule Americans by fear.

The administration starts out looking for loopholes and disingenous applications of laws, assumes that we are all racists and indifferent and won't care about a bunch of Hispanics, or that a US president makes deals with human rights abusing dictators. It doesn't matter to them that over 90% of this group Venezuelans have no criminal records, that many came to the US legally, and that many are awaiting asylum hearings. The geniuses at the top decide, just focus on tattoos.

When we do notice that the administration has disobeyed the rule of law in a number of ways, they simply start LYING. They pivot on the spot like sociopaths. These are not complex lies or even close to the truth. They are just fabrications.

The less intelligent, who lack all critical thinking (Kristi Noem, Claudia McGlaughlin, Karoline Leavitt, etc), then repeat the lies loudly and confidently.

FOX News et al. present this gang's words as facts and so lies diffuse rapidly through the country.

Suddenly there is a new very loud narrative competing for the public's mind who could simply use Google to discredit or verify.

DHUM, how do we combat this pyramid of lies??? Naive as I am, I have tried using reasoning and facts with posters on DCUM and, when proven wrong, they routinely change the subject, deflect, or simply repeat the lie. The people at the top of the pyramid may be sociopaths, those on the way down powerful fools, and the rest followers. I don't know how to play this game when they totally changed the rules! [/quote]

The path of least resistance to fixing this problem and/or preventing it from happening again is for there to be competent leadership in an opposition party to the party led by lying idiots. There would never be a Trump-like person in power if there were opposition led by a Reagan, GHWB, Clinton, or Obama. [/quote]

Competent leadership in the opposition party is not the problem.  What is required is Courageous leadership. There are plenty of people in the Dem or even Independent sphere.  What is needed is many more courageous people who are willing to fight the fight and call a spade a spade.  To quite frankly shame Americans for their cowardice and unwillingness to change and grow. And put it squarely on the table that we are either a nation committed to democracy and moving towards a collective peace OR let’s just say this was a good experiment and now dissolve into our own factions.  Because right now we are certainly more divided than united, and that makes us easy pickings for enemies foreign and domestic.

Who wants to bet that Trump will come up with some reason that we need to go to war so he can champion the idea of patriotism and American united.  He’ll him and Hegseth are already trying to lay the ground for that.[/quote]

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