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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Americans can't understand that they're often not #1 in doing things.  They love to try to crap on countries Iike China by pointing out things like ghost cities they heard about or some road falling apart they googled, but look at American infrastructure from lead poisoning in Flint Michigan to the collapsed bridge in Minnesota that killed 13 people after standing for less than 40 years.  Or the rail disaster in Ohio. Puhlease, Americans have zero room to criticize other countries about standards, OSHA, and quality, lol.

Go actually travel to Shenzhen and see it with your own eyes. It looks like a futuristic wonderworld that will warp your mind.  It makes NYC look like it is behind by 100 years. Try actually riding Chinese bullet trains.  They are very high quality and are now the fastest in the world.  They blow away anything the US has.

It also isn't simply because the Chinese are communist. Go travel to South Korea or Japan. They have very high quality infrastructure and can build rail.  The shinkansen has had zero deaths in over 60+ years of its entire existence and after billions of trips.  Meanwhile, how many deaths and rail accidents have occurred in the US over those same number of years.

The reason the US can't do it is because we have too many lobbyists, we are too inefficient, we are awful at planning, too much corruptin, and much of our labor is massively overpaid, and we are simply a bunch of idiots running around trying to put square pegs into around holes.  Americans are often terrible at doing things and aren often not #1.  Americans need to wrap their brains around it. I mean look how long it took the US to do the big dig around Boston. Billions in overrun costs. And once it was completed it fell apart due to shoddy American construction. [/quote]

It is easier to build new things than it is to renovate in place.  That is true in China and here.  The newer cities in the US (sometimes) have well built infrastructure.  Big new projects here are impressive.  Bridges or water systems that are 50-100 years old are less so.[/quote]

Sounds like a bunch of copium.  When other people in the world do things better, it is only because it must have been an easier project. Americans can't fathom that sorry, they don't always have the best engineers and are often very crappy at infrastructure development and planning. This is what impressive infrastructure really looks like:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/Rp2l6nFIsZA?si=KSi9MgldSbZ-iGMK[/youtube]

That was all built to improve existing infrastructure. There's always a ton of excuses when we can't improve our infrastructure in the US. Maybe it's simply because we stink at it, we don't have the best engineering capabilities, and there's far too much red tape and corruption.  [/quote]

Tokyo is Japan, not China.[/quote]

You seem dense.  The point is that when China builds impressive infrastructure like the world's largest and fastest network of high speed rail, or a futuristic city like Shenzen, Americans will use the excuse that they're communist.  That argument gets blown up when you also point out the fact that democratic counties like Japan and South Korea are capable of building mind blowing infrastructure that blows anything the US has out of the water.

Garbage infrastructure is a uniquely American thing.  The richest country in the world is now 70 years behind our counterparts because we have too much corruption like we are a 2nd world country, we don't have the best engineers anymore, and we throw away trillions of dollars on F35 development to bomb goat herders in Afghanistan rather than improve our own country.

Sorry, but the excuses that "The Chinese are communists and do shoddy work!", or that, "It is easier to build new rather than improve!"[b] don't fly when there are so many counterexamples[/b] of horrible American quality and other democracies on the planet improving their infrastructure in impressive ways. [/quote]

You know that both can be true, right?

Do you think the Chinese government was lying when they admitted they had a problem with so many bridges falling down and killing people, out of, what? A desire to make poor America feel better?[/quote]

Chinese bridges fall down while bridges in Minnesota fall, railway disasters in Ohio spill tons of toxic chemicals, lead leeches into waterways feeding Flint Michigan, levees fail and ruin the entire city of New Orleans, the DC metro is constantly on fire, large portions of the big dig in Boston had to be redone due to shoddy work, Texas and California powergrids routinely fail, US airports suck and America's own engineers give the US a near bottom rating for our own infrastructure:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/973054080/potholes-grid-failures-aging-tunnels-and-bridges-nations-infrastructure-gets-a-c

Americans love to dish it out but can't take it. They have a million excuses for why the US infrastructure is decades behind the modern first world.  Americans simply can't wrap their brains around the fact that we are no longer exceptional, we aren't #1, our systems are stupid, our engineering stinks, and that we need to shutup and learn from other people in the world who are doing it better, which *gasp* can include the Chinese.  It is entirely a bunch of American hubris thinking we do everything the best and they our ways are the right way.

Go take a tour in Tokyo to see their drainage system yourself in person:

https://www.tokyoweekender.com/japan-life/take-tour-tokyos-underground-temple-concrete/

It will blow your mind. Somehow the wealthiest country in the world can't do similar things to save our cities like New Orleans, but we have trillions of dollars for bombs. The US is decades behind now. [/quote]

Saving New Orleans is very stupid and it does not make any logical sense financially. The entire city is already below sea level minus a very small portion adjacent to the Mississippi. Also, the sea level is rising by around half an inch per year and the city is sinking by up to 2 inches per year. It is a complete waste of resource to try to protect a city that is so vulnerable to hurricanes and already below sea level. [/quote]

Tokyo is below sea level, doofus. Yet the Japanese can do some of the most impressive feats of engineering in human history to keep Tokyo viable while Americans can't even supply people in Flint with potable water.

Keep making excuses. When will you finally admit the US isn't exceptional anymore because we have all of our priorities backwards, have subpar engineering, and simply the way we do things is absolutely illogical? But go ahead, keep crapping on the Chinese when they've lifted almost 500M people out of poverty in the span of only 30 years.

[b]Once again, Americans love to hurl it and can't take it.[/b] Then they have every excuse in the book for why they're so wealthy yet have infrastructure they really hasn't improved since the 1950s.
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Yeah, no, that would be you. You came in swinging.[/quote]

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