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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Women get more education but are more likely to major in unprofitable things and struggle to repay their loans.  [b]They are also more likely to drop to part time or take career breaks.[/b]  So men still make more.  The gap is narrowing or may reverse over time.

If it reverses, expect that instead of women whining endlessly about not making enough instead they will whine endlessly about men not pulling their weight.

It’s hard to know exactly how it will shake out other than whining will be in the cards.[/quote]

Huh, I wonder why the bolded is true? What could it be, what could it be? I wonder if there is some reason that women often seek less-than-full-time positions or end up out of the workforce for extended periods. Some external factor that we aren't thinking of. I just don't know.[/quote]

My understanding is the pay gap exists even when studies control for absences due to child rearing. I’m 46. I make less than DH but came in to our marriage with a lot more money (inheritance) and started working about a decade before he did (while he earned his PhD). So my 401k is better and if you include dividends from investments I have a higher income than he does.
Among my 4 closest friends, one earns equally to her husband, one left her job as a consultant to be a mother, one is divorced and earned less than her husband at the time of divorce but now earns more than him, and one (vp in finance) drastically out-earns her husband (elementary school teacher). [/quote]

But in any case, the motherhood penalty can impact women who aren't mothers-- in some fields women can be passed over for more responsibility or promotion because of a belief that IF they be one moms, they'll check out or quit.

[b]Oh, stop. No hiring manager has ever thought to himself "Oh, this employee might get knocked up one day... I better not hire her.", much less passed that off as a (highly illegal) reason to not hire a woman.[/b]

It's all interrelated. You and your friends might all outearn the men in your lives, but most women don't, and women with young children are least likely to outearn men with young children (.62 to the man's dollar).

[b]As long as fathers are flooding hourly positions and working overtime, and woman are in salaried/part-time positions and looking for any excuse to work fewer hours or take unpaid absences, while at the same time receiving tons of financial support from their exes, partners, and government programs ([i]funded by men's tax dollars[/i]) for single mothers, it is no wonder that men could possibly be [i]earning[/i] more on paper, while women have a greater revenue stream coming in.

How else could women POSSIBLY be responsible for 85% of consumer spending, while only earning 2/3rds of what a man makes? Because they're spending [i]male-earned dollars[/i], be it the DH's, a chunk from an ex's VA disability, or a child support gravy train they've got coming in.[/b][/quote][/quote]

Uh, the bias against women in the workforce because they *might* have kids used to be so stark that this is the reason there are no laws to prevent interviewers from asking applicants about their relationship status or family life/plans.

And it's better now than it used to be but in some industries where long hours and travel are common, you still see bias against women if they are perceived as being likely to have kids. I know women who hid engagements from their firm because of how it could impact their promotional potential. Men don't even have to think about that stuff.

It's a catch-22 because we can't figure out a way around women doing the bulk of the labor around caring for kids, but a lot of industries just don't really make allowances for women to be able to step away to have kids. It's not how careers work, and it's especially not how careers in highly competitive, higher paying industries and roles work. So women wind up stuck between a rock and a hard place. Yes it's better than it used to be -- there are more opportunities, there are actual workplace protections against bias, there are lots of bright spots. But when you compare the experiences of men and women in the workforce, there's still no question that women lag behind in pay and promotional potential.

Also, PP: women are more likely than men to work hourly jobs (72 to 66 percent) so I don't know where you get the idea that women are being paid to sit around while men "earn" their income. Women dominate care industries (childcare, healthcare) which are largely hourly and tend to be very physically demanding and always on. Even many of the salaried positions dominated by women, like teaching, tend to be more public facing or service oriented and therefore require more direct engagement and less downtime.[/quote]

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