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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?[/quote]

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. [b]They cannot take LIV classes in MS. [/b][/quote]

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old.  Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7?  Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

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That is why parents can apply in later grades. I would expect that a kid who had been Principal Placed from 3rd grade on to apply for LIV status before MS. It isn’t that hard of a process, parents fill out a form. They can do more but they don’t have to. [/quote]

Sure, they can fill out a form.  They have no control over what some nameless, faceless centralized committee that doesn’t know their kid from Adam chooses to do.

Stop pretending that not allowing kids who can and should take advanced classes to actually take those classes is somehow fair, or just some parental failing.

The entire AAP system is a disaster.[/quote]

Parents can apply every year, they are not locked out. Parents can choose Honors classes for kids in MS, they are not denied advanced classes.

AAP is not perfect, there is no such thing as a perfect system. There are options and plenty of kids take AP/IB class in HS having not taking LIV classes in ES/MS. Kids are taking Algebra 1 in 8th grade, which allows them to take Calculus as Seniors. Kids get into top schools with “Just Calculus.”

I am guessing that the people who see AAP as a disaster are parents whose kids were not placed and see it as a snub of some sort. There is far too much evidence of kids doing fine without AAP for me to take things seriously. The program is a mildly ahead and provides kids in it some more indepth/advanced work that prevents them from being overly bored. Other kids catch up to the AAP kids easily enough. [/quote]

Are you the resident AAP apologist or something?

Explain to me the logic of not allowing some kids (who have all been in class together for years) to take Algebra I in 7th grade while other kids from that class to take it?

It’s also beyond condescending to offer virtual head pats to the parents of the kids left behind reassuring them that their kids will be “just fine”.[/quote]

We deferred because the base school didn’t have LLIV and we did not want to move our kid. We did place them in LIV in MS and they are doing just fine.

Algebra 1 in 7th has nothing to do with LIV. Algebra 1 is determined by kids score on the IAAT and the SOL, score high enough and you can choose to take Algebra 1 in 7th, otherwise you take Math 7 H and then Algebra 1 H in 8th grade. All schools have Advanced Math as an option. About 1/3 of the kids at our base school were in Advanced Math, no LLIV remember, and a good number of those kids tested into Algebra 1 H. The logic is that kids who don’t score high enough on the two tests are most likely not prepared to take a HS math class in 7th grade. A very small percentage of kids across the country take Algebra 1 before 8th grade and a pretty large percentage of the country won’t take Algebra 1 until 9th grade. Kids who have Algebra 1 in 8th grade will take Calculus in 12th grade, that is more then on track.

The program works as well as it can. I would prefer that they had Advanced Math, Advanced LA, Advanced Science, and Advanced Social Studies so that kids can be in groups based on strengths across subjects but there seems to be resistance tot he idea of kids changing rooms and being placed with like abilities. That leaves us with the system that we have which is never going to meet everyones idea of “right.” Overall, I think it hits the mark with most of the kids. Some kids are a bad fit in AAP and some other kids could be a good fit. I am sorry that it isn’t perfect but what do you expect? [/quote]

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