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This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation. [/quote]

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO.  In what world is that accurate?  (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)
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Average quality of student is ignored on this list which is a shame. Student quality determines how fast and deep classes can go, for humanities and stem. CMU is far and above better than cal poly. Caltech should be in the top 10. [/quote]

Yup!  
This list apparently favors large states schools vs smaller private schools on many levels.  Which is the opposite of what we look for in schools.  I believe in smaller class sizes, the ability to major in whatever you want versus [b]competing in Hunger Games 2.0 (HS was 1.0) [/b]to get into your desired undergrad major, and similarly the Hunger Games experience to get into the actual classes you want/need for your desired major.

I don't care about the mega facilities or research happening at most large state U's because [b]most undergrads will never get the opportunity to experience any of it[/b]---except for the crappy profs who don't give a shit about teaching but are required to teach one-two courses each semester (they are there for doing research and research only as a prof)[/quote]
1. What you call Hunger Games, I call life preparation. They have to compete and stand up for themselves. Sometimes it doesnt work out but you keep pressing on. Kids their age not in school have/seeking full time employment. Many are in the military. You can continue with the handholding or let them find their way in adulthood.
2. My kid was introduced to research during his freshman year at UMD. Had paid research internship through a joint UMD/Fed government agency the summer after his freshman year.

Your tirade is completely off the mark.[/quote]

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