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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It seems pretty inconsistent (and by inconsistent I mean laughably hypocritical) to be anti-car and then take advantage of rideshare services and home delivery.

I mean, if you’re anti-car, you have to live ot 24/7/365 - not just when the weather suits you. [/quote]

Do we?

(Tip - being personally car free does not mean you never use a vehicle.)[/quote]

Nobody would care a whit about a person who had no car, IF the carless person who orders uber/door dash would shut up about their BS sustainable choice. Because it's not, and that's fine. Just don't blow smoke up our arses.

Whether Hamid drives your single cup of coffee to your door your you do, it really doesn't matter.  And no, you're not taking "a car off the road."  Your insatiable thirst for a roll of tape, RIGHT NOW INSTACART, actually [b][u]induced[/u][/b] Hamid to move here from Scranton and lease a 2023 Camry and beging working for Instacart.[/quote]

Again, it's about LESS cars, not NO cars. You are throwing punches at air and you look like an idiot. [/quote]

Demanding less cars will affect the group who is in the category deemed to be sacrificed to the less goal, and they do not need to be happy about it.[/quote]

Sure, probably. Those who are as extremely PRO CAR as those that are ANTI CAR - in other words, those on the extreme ends of the spectrum - will probably feel like they are losing something. But there's a huge group in the middle for whom this is not the case. Building more safe bike lanes, for example, induces a lot of people to try biking who otherwise didn't want to. For those people, who still drive a car but now also sometimes bike, these changes gave them more options and were a net positive. This is a really big portion of the population, at least in DC and the surrounding suburbs, which is why you see protected bike lanes continue to get approved. It's not because of a few extreme anti-car crazies. Maybe it was at first, and they'll probably tell you that, but the real change is coming as a result of the [b]larger population starting to shift in that direction. [/b]If the pro-car lobby (or whatever you consider yourself) wants to somehow convince that large middle population that they have something to gain from opposing bicycle infrastructure, they can by all means go ahead. Your problem is that you're on the losing side of a game of tug of war. [/quote]

The bolded is a judgment that is convenient to your cause.

Again, some want to keep the status quo. They are not required to do mental gymnastics to shift their preference. It is ok to acknowledge you want to change the culture, but you should understand some don't want to. I know you don't care and will push forth your agenda, but don't pretend an opposition doesn't exists or that they are simply just stupid.[/quote]

My judgement is informed by the fact that your side keeps losing, that's all.

It's funny you think I'm a bike lane zealot. I actually just recently opposed a bike lane in my neighborhood because it was going to cut off a bus stop access point. I consider myself part of this "middle" that has warmed to the idea of a bike as the infrastructure has improved, and now I feel like my life is better for it. I don't feel like I'm losing something as time goes on. It's sad that you do. [/quote]

A side losing doesn't mean that it is wrong. There are literally winners and losers in politics.  A side winning doesn't mean that I have to now say wow you have the right values and I don't. OK you are in the middle and are loud about it doesn't mean a lot of people agree with you or that I do. Your side is just really really vocal and politicians, not wanting to think for themselves, are happy to have others think for them.[/quote]

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