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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]In reply to the poster who said Zionism as expressed originally is an ideology that says 1) Jews are a nation; 2) Jews cannot integrate, whether for their own reasons or widespread anti-semitism, into other societies; 3) therefore a homeland is necessary; and 4) all Jews should emigrate to that homeland.  Certainly, assimilation helps Jews avoid antisemitism for a while, but eventually not so much.  And Zionism does not require moving to the homeland.  Zionism does require supporting the existence of that homeland so it'll be there when push comes to shove, as it inevitably does.
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Fair point on emmigration.  I just don't see anything unique about Judaism or anti-Semitism that makes integration impossible and discrimination inevitable.  But, I'm an American and that's a very American mentality.

The Babylonians, Romans, Persians and Russians exiled lots of different people throughout history.  Genocide has also sadly happened on more than one occassion.  Heck, it wasn't even new for the Germans who did it to the Herero first. [/quote]

For whatever reason, Jews keep getting persecuted everywhere they go.  We even created a few words for it: Holocaust, pogrom, and antisemitism.  We can speculate on why it keeps happening, but Jews have a long history of it.  The desire to have their own [b]land where Jews are in control [/b]is not a surprise.[/quote]

Do you understand the problem with applying this mindset to a land where another people currently happens to live?

What are you planning to do with the natives to put and keep Jews in control?

What HAVE you done with the natives?

Israel has successfully promulgated a series of myths to explain why there are now Jews where there used to be Arabs.  Including:

- they attacked us so we had to expel them

- they fled at their leaders' request to come back after the Arab victory but we won so they never came back

- little brave Israel fought and won the unwashed hateful Arab hordes so here we are.

All of this mythmaking was necessary to cover the ugly truth.  Israel's downfall is that it was formed in the time where it was no longer acceptable to voice it.  Here is the truth: a Jewish state must have a Jewish majority and a Jewish rule.  We had to create both in a place that didn't have it originally.  It doesn't matter how we created it. What matters is that it had to be created, and it was. The end.

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