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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Stop pumping up an IVY safety. It is not good.  And there is no such thing as new Ivy.  There are 8 Ivies and Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech.  Duke is right below.  Chicago there too.  Nothing else is worth what is approaching 100k a year.  And for publics, only michigan, Cal, UVA, and now UCLA are really worth it.  There are only a handful of SLACs worth it. Amherst, Williams, Pomona, Swarthmore, Barnard (only because of Columbia association).  [/quote]

The ivies are not a single entity. Stanford, MIT, Caltech, and Duke are better than half the ivies. Similarly, a school like Rice or Vanderbilt could be seen as a peer to lower ivies like Dartmouth or Cornell.[/quote]

Nah[/quote]

I don't think that you understand the new realities... talented kids who would have been at the Ivies a short time ago are now at other schools, [b]since many spots are going to international students, children of migrant workers and homeless individuals, etc.[/b]  They must choose elsewhere and the caliber of a number of schools has risen in comparison to the Ivies.  It is the same with faculty.  Top schools are desperate to diversity their faculty, yet by far the majority of people graduating with PhDs are white, so those smart white graduates have to go somewhere.  A new landscape...[/quote]

What is really happening is the expressway for white, upper middle class kids has ended and now the student bodies will look more like a cross section of the USA.

If you have a problem with that, that is a you problem. No one is guaranteed a spot at an Ivy and the idea that white upper middle class parents are upset about it is quite a tell.[/quote]

Can you read the post without getting your buttons pushed?  "Diversifying the classes" means that talented white and Asian kids need to choose other schools, hence the talent pool is spreading down the rankings.  I can make other statements about the quality of those diversified Ivy classes (substantiated by data), but that wasn't the point of the thread.

And student bodies should NOT look like a cross section of the US because the vast majority of college ready high school students each year remains white and Asian.  And don't get me started on the desire of schools to have every country represented in their class.[/quote]

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