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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]They're having class on the auditorium b/c they're combining classes b/c too many teachers are out?
Is that what you're trying to say?
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Yes, I guess  n[u]o one wants to work anymore[/u].  Just image how bad it will be when boomers retire.[/quote]

No, no sir. No one wants to work with your bratty a$$ kids and parents who either dont care or call 5x a day asking for grades. Every teacher I know has found a new job (that pays better with more flexibility), is leaving to be a SAHM/PT worker so they have more time with their own kids, or retiring.

Its bad because of class sizes, special needs/behavior integration, etc. No one wants to pay teachers more for less work but thats what you need to do. They need less kids, less prep, and more control over what they teach in the class/how they teach/student behavior.

One friend has multiple fights per day in school, has kids curse at her regularly, has admin asking why she is failing a kid who hasnt shown up to class once, has parents who call or email asking her why she gave their kid a bad grade or 0- shocker they didnt turn it in or they didnt complete the assignment as directed. She sets a deadline for work and then is told my admin to extend it for the kids who didnt submit in time.

They dont get enough leave to take care of their own kids. They cant take half-days for appointments or field trips or concerts. There is no maternity/paternity leave beyond their own banked leave which is something like 5 vac and 5 sick.

Its a shite job with shite benefits besides the pension, but you have to stay for X years in a shite job.

I have looked at teaching because of the summer and winter breaks off but the math doesnt math for saving money and my DH has a completely inflexible job in a SCIF so I cant also have an inflexible position. I make 78k working from home in a job where I maybe work 30 hours total (there is no cap to my position and Ive received 5%+ raises every year) and when I log off, I am done. Its not great money but its low stress. I can WAH. Im available to my kids and I can take off whenever I want. So its a helluva lot better than teaching. 
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Sounds like your anger made you a pretty poor teacher anyway, so it’s good that you found another profession. This field clearly didn’t suit you and that’s ok.[/quote]

PP isn't a teacher. I'm not either and I agree with her 100%. We need smaller classes, better disciplinary solutions, and higher teacher pay. If you deliver those things then high teacher standards are fair too (there are bad teachers, for sure) but you can't make it a terrible low paid job and then be surprised no one good wants it.[/quote]

[b]A terrible, low paid job[/b] where parents constantly crap on you - who would want that?

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It's not low pay.  It's mid-[pay here and high-pay in DC.  But it can be terrible, depending on the administration.  We don't really need smaller classes.  What we need are better administration, who support teachers, and lots more discilpine including detention, suspension, and expulsion.  If we expect better behavior from students, and require it, we'll get it.  Until then, we won't.[/quote]

If people - especially competent people - won't take the job, then the pay is too low. It doesn't really matter what you think "mid" pay is in theory.

A good teacher is educated in their subject matter, educated in pedagogy for their classroom age band, has practical experience and fairly high EQ, passes a background check, works in person (and largely on their feet) and interacts with the public. That is an expensive job description. [/quote]

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