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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]First comes grades and then holistic admissions [/quote]

That's how it works. The more selective the school, the more kids that have the basics (grades, rigor and SATs) so those schools use other soft factors to differentiate - ECs, recommendations, fuzzy/opaque criteria - and can get away with it given their 'pedigree'.

Most of DCUM prattles on about ECs, LOCs and Test Optional but for the vast majority of colleges grades, rigor and SAT matter way, way more than the noise levels here would indicate.[/quote]

What do you mean by “get away with it”, as if it’s something sinister? Many of these schools get many more 4.0/1500+ applicants than they have seats.  How would you have them differentiate? I’d personally favor a lottery and get rid of this pressure to curate kids’ lives from pre-K on, but that’s never happening. [/quote]

I meant the opacity. A Harvard can afford to be as opaque as they can get away with and still be 10+ times oversubscribed (overapplied?). A Kentucky State on the other hand published the exact amount of merit you get if you get a certain GPA/SAT on their website. Heck, even a not-so-bad Indiana University guarantees admission to their flagship business school if you get a 3.8GPA. Lower the pedigree, lower the opacity. Higher the pedigree, the more opacity you can get away with.[/quote]

^^ PP again.. And yes, opacity is a bad thing, especially in a process that's partially funded by the public (through tax subsidies) regardless of whether the college is private or public, hence my use of 'get away with it'. [/quote]

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