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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can we not stereotype athletic guys as toxic masculinity? There are lots of different ways to be a man. Some are athletic and love team sports, some are into theatre, some are into gaming, some are into band, etc. None are TOXIC per se. I have a boy that will 100% be what people call “frat bro” in college. He is extroverted, loves sports, etc. Guess what? He has sisters and is very sensitive and respectful of women. He also is very academic. I just don’t get the blanket disdain for boys that fall into a certain boy stereotype. It is mean, OP. [/quote]

I do think we need more nuanced ways to discuss this. [b]I went to WM and had great guy friends who liked and respected women, and who were also in athletics and in fraternities. Just normal, friendly guys who didn’t fall into any one category.[/b] I think of Bro-y and toxic are two different things. Toxic guys are the guys you wouldn’t want a girl to get drunk around or who you wouldn’t trust to walk you home without incident. Or the guys who are total misogynists and think that girls aren’t worthy of respect or being treated as equals, socially, professionally, and academically. I think of Bro-y as being different. Kind of loud, partying, obnoxious, would tell and laugh at sexist jokes, but wouldn’t be an actual threat.

I’m still really good friends with many of the guys I went to school with. They’ve grown up to be very nice men, just as they were good guys back in college. [/quote]

This describes my son and his friends.  He will play a sport at WM and is social, friendly--but not into bro activities---will hang out and play spike ball, football with friends--but not the drinking/partying stuff.  Very intellectual too.  He was always more grown up than me--lol.  [/quote]

This is my son.  And when I tell people that don't know him well (random neighbors-not close to) the say they can see him at UVA---friends/family that know him on a personal level always say the CAN'T see him at UVA.  He looks the part--blonde, tall, athletic, private HS (so seen in polo-khakis walking the dog after school), social---but he is [i]so[/i] different than the way he looks.[/quote]

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