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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nobody should ever consent to a voluntary search. No lawyer would ever advise you to waive your rights in this way. The only people "voluntarily" giving up their rights are people who are uneducated and are being manipulated to act against their own self interest in some way. This is not how police departments should operate. Cops shouldn't be dishonest and tricking ordinary citizens into waiving essential right that protect them from the state. [/quote]

You could teach a civics course in high school to explain the rights of individuals living in America. [/quote]

This is yet another crazy pro-criminal bill.   It’s true that no one should ever voluntarily consent to a search; I’ve told all my friends and family this.  But, many criminals are, let’s be frank, kind of dumb.  If a criminal makes a bad decision, such as consenting to a search, that allows them to be caught, this is a good thing.  The only conceivable reason for this bill is to protect criminals who are too dumb to protect themselves.  I guess we see what constituency the government is really concerned with.  [/quote]

You put this well. Our civil liberties balance our individual and collective rights. It's not just me, me, me. If I walk up and kick you, that's not freedom of expression. It's assault. We need to stop going overboard to protect the individuals violating collective rights. [/quote]

Yes but bear in mind that this isn’t at all about a principled balance between individual and collective rights.  What people like Jawando believe, it seems to me, goes something like this:  the level of crime that would be acceptable to the (largely white) middle class is objectively, unreasonably low; the human cost of law enforcement is too high and falls disproportionally on Black communities; once a crime has been committed, the impact the crime had on the victim, however regrettable, is a sunk cost irrelevant to future decisions; incarceration does not deter because crime is really a function of low impulse control.  Given these premises, his policies are quite rational:  reduce incarceration as much as possible, but never admit that is what you are doing because it is politically untenable.  [/quote]

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