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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Fair, yes.  Can cost be lowered - yes.  
For one, I’d drop first class rail. 
If dropping a city: drop Florence, not Venice.
Florence sits in a valley that gets no breeze at all and becomes unbearably hot in the summer.    Also Venice is more of a must see vs. Florence, imo. [/quote]

DP - I agree with this.  Esp with kids - Venice is the best.  Doesn't matter young or old.  Florence is beautiful but it's a lot of museums.  I love Florence but I'm 51 years old.  Florence is that sweep me off my feet the scenes in movies set to opera.  It's picturesque.  The thing about Venice?  It's unique - there's glass blowing, sitting and hearing jazz and just chilling out.  You can't really do this right in summer but you can get lost just walking around and it's cooler than it sounds.  Venice is accessible.  For having seen it once you will never forget it - it's just different than all other places.  I have been to Venice, Florence, Rome, Tuscany all more than once and Venice is the place I tell everyone they must go.  The other towns are wonderful and definitely worthwhile but Venice is the one place you gotta go once in your life.  I do think Summer is a hard season for it but between never going and going in summer, you know..[/quote]

I think that's true, Venice was incredibly unique.  But personally I get so frustrated with the crowds that its very hard to enjoy.  And yes that's hypocritical, I know (you aren't in traffic, you ARE traffic, etc).  As you said, the summer time crowd levels would be enough for me to make it hard to enjoy those unique things.  If I were traveling without kids I think I could enjoy it more, because I would be more likely to be out later at night once the crowds die down.  But of course this is personal preference/taste, so everyone has different tolerances.[/quote]

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