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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sheesh you get arrested in Singapore for littering.[/quote]

And this is fundamentally why many Asian cities are so nice, orderly and clean.

Severe punishment for even the tiniest infractions, along with a strong desire to not bring dishonor on your family.

If the US had these two elements, we’d be just as orderly, clean and safe as Shanghai. But we don’t. We have generations of people raised by single parents, and we coddle and revere our criminal class, and protest when the police hurt their feelings.

This country is a dumpster fire and it’s our own fault.

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The parts of DC or NYC I frequent as commuter is nice and clean enough without punishment for small things. Totalitarian countries have you walk on egg shells your whole life, clean streets in exchange for artistic pursuits, personal empowerment and innovation, that’s why we have better design, better tech and better working conditions.[/quote]

Unfortunately I think our basic norms of civility and decency and rule-following have fallen to such poor levels that it might be good if we had more enforcement/punishment for small things. I live in NYC and am frequently in DC for work. I usually take the Amtrak to Union Station and then transfer to the metro. Every single time I'm at the Union Station metro entrance, like literally every single time, I see people jumping the fare gates. I understand the issues around uneven/inequitable enforcement, etc. and not wanting to ruin people's lives over a $3 metro fare, but these people are thieves stealing from the city and from taxpayers. And it shows rotten entitlement. It's statistically extremely unlikely that these people are ALL sympathetic, otherwise honest poor people who can't afford metro fare and need to get to work.

And in NYC, I take the subway to work sometimes. I get off at the 57th Street station in Midtown. Instead of taking 3 extra seconds to go through the turnstile (in NYC, it's a flat fare so you don't have to tap/pay on the way out), there's a constant stream of people walking through the emergency fire door that is clearly labeled "Emergency Fire Door" to exit. It's gross behavior. I wish there were citations for this kind of thing. [/quote]

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