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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yes, it can happen. Here was NVSL’s divisionals from a few years ago in the 15-18, 50 free:

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=4&age=5&sex=1&st=1&stroke=50-free&m=1&year=2019&count=50&division=&team=

You can see the #29th swimmer from Divisionals scratched into all stars here:

https://www.mynvsl.com/leaders?post=1&mt=5&age=5&sex=1&st=1&stroke=50-free&m=1&year=2019&count=50&division=&team=

That means 11 people scratched for the 29th swimmer to get a chance to swim at all stars.  [/quote]

I don't think we are talking summer swim...  That is very different than swimming the same event the same day.

Also NVSL all stars is held at the same time as Futures.  So the best swimmers in the area would be going to futures, not All Stars.  That is why there are so many scratches.[/quote]

Of course but the question still applies- is it possible for someone down on a list to make it to finals. Or: is it possible to have a lot of final qualifiers scratch. The answer is: yes, better swimmers scratch or don’t swim at events all the time. It is very possible. [/quote]
Comparing prelims/finals club meet scratches with summer swim scratches is an apples to oranges comparison. It is generally rare for someone outside the 2 alternates announced at prelims/finals club meets to scratch into finals because there is a penalty for doing so. The exception as someone else noted is the finals on the last night of a multi day meet. There is no penalty in summer swim for scratching, it’s a fun summer rec meet. [/quote]

I think your statement here got muddled.  If at a final with 8 lanes and 2 alternates, my understanding is that the ONLY people that are subject to the "no show and no scratch" penalty are the initial 8 qualifiers.  I'm using the words "scratch into finals" to mean someone beyond the initial 10 who was "surprised" to make finals due to people before them scratching out.  Like if you were number 13 and then left, but maybe your phone died or something so word couldn't be gotten to you that there were 5 scratches so you were swimming, you would not be subjected to the penalty?[/quote]

It really depends on the meet. At some meets, everyone has to declare whether they're scratching and if they don't do it, get scratched in, and don't show-- they're out for the rest of the meet even if they were way out of finals position at prelims. I think Sectionals was this way.[/quote]

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