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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]When you have taken the side of defending the Catholic Church on this issue, particularly by use of “whataboutism”, when this topic has literally been litigated multiple times against the church, then you have no moral, legal or ethical ground to stand on.

It’s shocking to me people even bother to try.  It’s a bad look.

I would recommend defending by taking responsibility and talking about efforts to change it from within.

Or maybe not responding at all.[/quote]

Sorry if being told you’re wrong hurts your feelings. The cases against the Church in fact have rarely if ever been litigated. The Church is targeted as a deep pocket by people who make their very comfortable living advancing such claims. The Church pays because, unlike public entities, it is not protected by sovereign immunity or in most cases by damages caps.

As for “efforts to change it from within,” if you had “a moral, ethical or legal ground to stand on,” you’d know that the Catholic Church is the standard setter in child protection practices and has been for quite some time. By way of example, the individual who is the subject of this thread, in addition to being turned over to the police with full cooperation by the relevant diocese in terms of providing access to electronic devices and the like, is already suspended and forbidden to hold himself out or function as a priest (based on allegations alone) and will almost certainly be laicized (fired from the priesthood), very likely even before the criminal proceedings against him have run their course.

Sexual abuse cases are anything but unique to the Catholic Church. What is unique is the level of calumny they generate against an entire religion based on the actions of a few wrongdoers. The motive is obvious, as at least one post in this thread makes clear. People who are uncomfortable about the morality of their own behavior are offended by Church teaching because it makes them feel guilty. By attacking the Church they seek to silence their own inner accusations. It doesn’t work but they keep trying. People without a personal axe to grind don’t feel compelled to attack a millennia old faith and its billions of adherents based on alleged misconduct by a few. I regularly violate the dietary laws of several faiths. I don’t feel guilty at all, because I don’t believe in those laws. Accordingly, I feel no urge to attack either the laws or their adherents. [/quote]

you have got to be joking. the Catholic Church knowingly and purposefully protected pedophile priests as long as they could get away with it, turning a blind eye or even knowingly sending them back to unsuspecting parishes. it was not “misconduct of a few” - it was institutional policy. and yes, any non-biased person will seriously consider the role that celibacy, the male priesthood, and other Catholic doctrine on sex/sexual orientation had to do in exacerbating the propensity for abuse. it’s not “calumny.” it’s a rot in your church that needs to be rooted out, not excused.

I LOVE how you try to DARVO the righteous claims against the Church (often made by the faithful) and claim that the critics must actually just be projecting their own sexual guilt. That is like *chef’s kiss* realtime example of how you disgusting apologists operated for centuries to silence and cover up. Threaten and ostracize. [/quote]

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