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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]In my experience top team rosters are filled mostly with outside players. Even with better kids on lower teams. There is no pathway for upward mobility.  I agree with D1 mom above, find a team that works for your child. [/quote]

PP, this is exactly what I was referring to....outside players, b team kids are better, etc; simply not true. You probably dont want to out yourself, but im guessing your dc got passed up by an outside player and you think he/she should have been on top team. I guarantee if you asked around the parent group, they would have had a different opinion. Did your kid get passed up each year by these outside players? Did your kis guest and train with the top team regularly. Could you make an honest assessment of your kids ability?[/quote]

I’m not the PP, I’m the PP whose kid is playing college and who wrote about the toxic nature of the club system. But I’m sorry, but this flat-out does not match with my experience.

Here is what I would say: there are kids who get to and flourish in college because of the club system. These are the kids who are identified early, nourished by the system, preferred by coaches, etc. Sometimes their parents are much like the PP and believe in the club system, particularly at the ECNL and MLSNext levels. For some of the parents (not saying this is PP), their egos depend on believing club soccer is a true meritocracy where the best excel. To be fair, their kids have a very good experience with the system and trust it. They should trust it: they benefit, and when it comes to college, the club and coach advocates for them.

But there is also a sizeable group of kids who get to and flourish in college [i]despite[/i] the club system. These kids are the one who maybe have to fight for play time over the years, who are tracked into lower teams at the younger years and have to switch clubs to get up a level, who get benched, who aren’t the coach favorites, who get yelled at more, who are the target of the coach ire if they lose. Etc. These kids hustle on their own to get their college spots (because their coaches minimally help, preferring to help their favorites). They have to debate whether and/or when they share college offer information with the club because they can’t trust the club and/or coach.

The thing is, college coaches know this about club soccer. Some college coaches refuse to even talk with club coaches, because they don’t trust them. So that second group, they can and do get on to college teams. Coaches in college know how the US club system works more than anyone.

I’ve had kids in both groups. I will say this: when your kid is in the first group, you want to believe the club system is equitable. When your kid is in the second group, you know it’s not. [/quote]

I am the PP, and this is a very good post. you may be right, my kid is benefiting from the club, although did not start out on the top team but was identified early on and made a jump to the top team. To your point, she is being advocated by the club yet well deserved by how she performs. I see a lot of what goes on, and I just dont see others being overlooked, at least to the point where they deserve being moved up to ECNL level. At ECNL level we go to showcases, tournaments, ID sessions, etc...do some coaches favor certain kids, of course, but why do they favor them, it's because they are the impact players, leaders of the team, coachable, etc...I just dont see the bias or systematic failure of the club; and again pp makes very good points...I just dont see the other side and I would be honest if I did. Great players will get noticed, D1 players will get noticed, USYNT players will get identified; I just dont think there is a club failure in the 2nd tier players going unnoticed. And; it also is on the parents and player to do the work when it comes to recruiting and finding a college that is the best fit for your dc; if you are relying on the club or coach to do the work for you, then you are not doing it right. You/player needs tp be the one advocating for your kid; i.e; contacting coaches, game tape, etc....but pp made accurate points and maybe I guess it is different from what level your dc is at. great discussion![/quote]

Oh my sweet summer child. You have no idea. [/quote]

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