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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

[b]This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy.  [/b]Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them? [/quote]

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three. [/quote]

3 out of how many that got the drug?  You fail to realize risks can balloon when you give something to a lot more people. Sure, if something causes harm to 0.1% of people it is a low incidence rate, but if you give it to 10 million people, is it acceptable to affect 10000 people if it causes something death?   Low incidence alone isn't the whole story. It's also the potential for the amount of people who can be exposed to a risk.[/quote]

The question is whether the number of people having suicidal thoughts while on the drug is higher than in a similar population not on the drug.  There is a baseline and it isn't zero.  But hopefully they do further studies and figure out if there is a higher incidence.[/quote]

DP. Not to mention the fact that ALL drugs have side effects. Have you ever seen a drug commercial that didn't have a page of text at the bottom warning you of all the horrible things that might happen to you if you take it? This is why having information is good, if they know a drug causes suicidal ideation they can monitor the patient when they start taking it and get them off it it happens. And still use the drug in the rest of the population who might benefit. All medical interventions are cost benefit but the cost of doing nothing is ALSO a cost. This is especially true for this population. You don't tell a cancer patient about how bad chemo is for them.

- someone who lost weight 'the right way' before these drugs came out but who would have taken them in a heartbeat and who will if I ever regain the weight...obesity is the medical struggle of our generation and I for one and thrilled we're making progress[/quote]

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