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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Freedom to have an abortion
Freedom to be LGBTQ+ without facing workplace discrimination
Freedom to speak as one likes and not be expelled from the legislature
Freedom to not be indoctrinated into Christian fundamentalist culture at school

I can keep going
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please do

elaborate on how schools, permeated with DEI initiatives, social and emotional learning, etc. teach "Christian fundamentalist culture"

also please elaborate on the Left's efforts to defend freedom of speech for regular citizens[/quote]

Texas wants prayer and the Ten Commandments in public schools.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2023/04/21/ten-commandments-and-prayer-in-public-schools-texas-senate-approves-religious-bills/

Except, some of us are Hindu, or Muslim, and that's not part of our scripture.  And, the Ten Commandments has absolutely nothing to do with federal or state law, so why is it being brought in to glare down on school children as if it's law?  What if you're Jewish and you don't accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and pray the way the school says you should?

And as for "regular citizens and free speech" versus the left...  you people on the right seem to have a funny idea about what free speech is, and how it works.

People on the left aren't forbidding you from saying anything.  But what they are doing is, if you say something that's racist, misogynist, or a lie, et cetera they will call you out for it, and if that goes viral, there's likelihood of you being embarrassed, having it catch the attention of your employer, your sponsor, your advertisers et cetera, who in turn may have the right to fire you, to pull support from you, et cetera.  You have the right to speak, but the problem you on the right seem to have trouble understanding is that free speech is not a one way street.  You have the right to say what you want, but others also have the right to speak, and to counter what you said.  THAT is how free speech works.  Y[b]ou HAVE free speech - nobody ever took that away from you - but need to understand that it can come with consequences. [/b] A better solution would be to not say jackass things in the first place, if you don't want to be called out for being a jackass.  But that choice is also yours to freely make, or not.[/quote]

That's the definition of the "chilling effect."  [/quote]

And?

You have the right to say whatever you want. Are you suggesting only you have the right but not others with contrasting viewpoints. If you want to use the N word, go for it, but expect blowback. That is all the PP is saying. Are you suggesting there shouldn't be blowback for using the N Word?[/quote]

Should there be blowback for participating in BDS? For supporting the Palestinian cause? If not, why does it exist?

Stop pretending the "chilling effect" is some kind of cosmic justice.  It's not.  It's a product of a well motivated, well funded minority group that yells the loudest.

I mean imagine if JK Rowling was poor and not famous?[/quote]

We are living on the edge of a Christian Nationalist hijacking our country....I really don't care about any other "well funded minority group" until we get this threat eradicated. If that means there is a little pushback on BDS or some other relatively minor issues, then so be it. If you are too much of a snowflake to be bothered by this given the threat of an autocratic right wing takeover of the United States, then as Benjamin Franklin said, 'a republic, if we can keep it'

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yep, we're right on the cusp of Christian Nationalists controlling everything

good luck eradicating them, I mean, there are so MANY, and they run all the universities, and the big businesses, and the news outlets, and they make up basically the entire staff of the federal government, and I just don't know how they can ever be defeated

Handmaid's Tale is just fiction

however, the various accounts of left totalitarianism in the 20th century are not[/quote]

Who are the left totalitarians in the US? Are you comparing wanting healthcare with authoritariansim? And you ignore how limiting a woman's right to control her body or what books can be read or what a corporation can say from the right? That is either ignorant or ridiculously dangerous.[/quote]

this is openly totalitarian, for one thing: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/61/text

proposed by an important Dem Congresswoman (Sheila Jackson Lee)

you only have to think about it for 5 seconds to understand how broad a net it wants to cast

there's no definition in it of "white supremacy," of course - because we have no definition of it any more, now that it's used to include things like hard work, science, and so on - so let's just create a vehicle to criminalize free speech & selectively prosecute whoever we want

what could go wrong[/quote]

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