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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Look to China's one kid policy as an example of how a society grows.  When you millenials and gen-x get close to retirement age you maybe thinking differently towards the father of 9...[/quote]

The U.S. is not a hospitable place to raise children. You give birth in a “baby-friendly” hospital (read: you’re expected to care for an infant yourself after you just gave birth) then your slapped with a hospital bill, get 6 weeks if you are lucky of maternity leave, pay $2000/month for daycare, pay for a $700k house for the 60s in a barely-adequate school district and $100,000 to send your kid to a basic instate public university.[/quote]

This. I’m a UMC working woman. We stopped at two kids, despit wanting 3. Daycare, plus childcare, plus summer care, plus college savings were straining our budget. I only would have gotten six weeks of maternity leave.  DH would have gotten none. And we had hit our workplaces tolerance max for absences due to sick kids, school holidays, etc. we didn’t have time time or money to do right by a third child.  And, we phased out of some of the tax breaks.

If you want UMC white kids, don’t phase out college tax credits by income, make 529s and tuition payments full deductible at the federal level, and make childcare fully deductible. Right now, it’s less than $3000-  so basically 10% of the cost for two young kids. [/quote]

Honest question — how do mormons do it?

They all seem to have nice houses in Utah, Idaho, Arizona.

Large families, educated, nice homes

They don’t seem poor or downwardly mobile

What’s their secret? [/quote]

Mormons are insanely frugal. They hate to spend a buck. [/quote]

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