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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think students should start thinking about trades if they're not top students. Welders, plumbers, electricians all can be interesting careers.[/quote]

Seriously?  For a 3.5 to 3.8gpa?  Those are still "top students" with an A- average.  So sure, if they are interested in trades, encourage that.  But 3.5 students have tons of options.  Look at privates schools (both In state and OOS) that offer merit.  with a 3.5 UW Gpa you can still get college costs of only $30-40K fairly easily (and that's equivalent to In state publics).  Search and you can get it even cheaper (hint: drop down a tier, find a school where your kid is at the 90% for stats).

Plenty of kids do not find their academic stride until college.  There are good colleges even for a 3.0 gpa in HS, just not T50 schools for them.

for reference, I have one of those 3.5 UW students, took only on AP in HS and got their first D in that class (first grade below a B ever) but managed a B + 2nd semester.  They graduated from a T90 university with a 3.4 GPA (and it's low cause they attempted to be pre-health sciences freshman year and killed their gpa before switching majors to finance/accounting), gainfully employed at a great company and succeeding at "adulting" and love their job.

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Thanks for your message. I agree with you.[/quote]

NP.  I agree, as well.  I think OP might be trying to say that the[b] "mid" VA colleges are slowly closer to the bottom (lower stats and application information required), than the top (higher stats and application information required) [/b]of Virginia's list of schools, and that can be frustrating for some.  But this PP has a well thought out and pertinent post. [/quote]

This doesn't make any sense. As it gets harder and harder for strong students to get into UVA/W&M/VT, the profile of students at the "mid" schools will naturally get stronger. Yes, some leave for OOS but VA schools are generally pretty affordable relative to similar state Us you might go to as an OOS student. My son applied to several OOS flagships and all would have cost significantly more even after merit than VT, which he did get into. He'd have gone to JMU if VT hadn't worked out.

OP asked: "Where do kids who have a 3.5-3.8 GPA go?" That GPA is solidly in range for:

JMU - median GPA 3.88
CNU - 3.78
GMU - 3.76
UMW - 3.73
VCU - 3.73
Longwood - 3.69

[b]And all of these schools have a substantial cohort of higher GPA students. Their 75th %ile for GPA is 4.0+. At places like GMU and VCU, over 1000 freshman will have had a HS GPA of 4.0+
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+1.  OP hasn't kept up with what is happening with the Commonwealth's schools.  GMU's entering class last year had 4.0 GPA at the 75th percentile (meaning 25% had higher); 3.75 at the median and a 3.46 at the 25th percetnile.https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp[/quote]

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