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Apart from fighting extreme poverty, another area where religion and science can collab is better understanding Just War Theory and Practice in modern contexts. Just War theory was originated by St Augustine in fourth century and refined by St Aquinas in Middle Ages and has been employed by many countries over hundreds of years  to shape their war responses. It emphasizes that wars of aggression should be presumed to be immoral unless in cases of self defense  and that civilian loss and non military targets should be avoided.

Now modern warfare can operate so differently with drones/ nuclear arms/ chemical warfare and cyber attacks. Science and religion could dialogue to propose moral limits for many forms of modern war fare.

Much of the non Western world is very religious and [b]many people tend to trust religious leaders more than scientific leaders/ politicians.[/b] Again, religion and science could engage in dialogue to figure out the best ways to serve many people facing unprecedented challenges related to climate change. [/quote]

Is this true?
Jimmy Swaggert
Jim Bakker
Joel Osteen
Ted Hagard
and too many Catholic priests to name?

I think your premise is a bit off here[/quote]

[b]If a list was made of politicians who abused their power, people who they were elected to represent, and amassed wealth through their elected office, it would be massive.
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Politicians are not who we see in campaign commercials. They ultimately want power and money. They don’t do what they do for free and they use our money taken by taxes. They vote themselves raises-funded by our taxes. Their office and staff and travel are paid for by our taxes. They have lots of money given to them by wealthy donors who have unfair access to government, beyond what an average citizen has. (Even though we all pretend that is not the case.) So really, politicians are the worst of all.[/quote]

Sure, but we expect that from politicians. Not clergymen who are supposed to be pious and holy. Also a politician in his or her woildest dreams couldn't expect to make as much money as one of these popular evangelists.  You wanna get filthy rich? Start a religion and pass the collection plate. [/quote]

No one is holy but God. You think we should expect our elected officials to abuse their power? Politicians are given a “they all do it” pass? I can’t believe the American public expects to be abused and taken advantage of financially or otherwise by politicians. That’s a ridiculously bad excuse.

And politicians don’t get rich from their government salaries. Most politicians make under $100 k per year from their government salary. Somehow, they end up with hundreds of millions of dollars. How? Abusing their elected offices. Really, get elected, make a salary off the taxpayers, and then get donations and use your office to become wealthy. And people like you are happy to excuse it? That’s not what we should expect of our elected officials. Maybe you excuse it, because you are ok with it? And most if not all politicians claim to be religious and talk about their faith and piety. They play both sides of the aisle and fill their bank accounts the whole way. [/quote]

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