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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We have one kid getting the cluster model and another at the center. IME, the center is more rigorous. [/quote]

Can you expand on this?  Our school uses the clustering model and we don’t see the benefit -whether it is the AAP kid, the gen Ed kid or the teacher.  It doesn’t seem effective.  We would have moved to Center but it is the last year of ES.[/quote]

For DS, who is in local level IV, the math component is a separate class that combines level IV students with the level III kids who are strong in math (about a 50-50 split).  DD's center classes are level IV-only and seem to move faster.  One of DS's friends started in LLIV and transferred to the center for 5th grade.  Per the mom, he was behind and had lots of catching up to do.  Center has significantly more math homework.

Other level IV material is provided only three days a week via pull-out for DS. The rest of the time he does the same things Gen Ed does.  DD gets level IV content in all subjects, full-time.  [/quote]

That is a nice way at least to do the math and LLIV, and I would find that a decent option while acknowledging full time LIV still seems better.

However, our base (newly offering LLIV this year) is doing cluster model and very explicitly is NOT doing a LIII push-in like this. It is truly just mixed gen ed. - including for math. (This is a base that formerly started adv math in 5th grade incidentally.) I just do not see that as a good replacement for the center system. AAP kids get less and so does everyone else in the classroom where the teacher suddenly has to differentiate (somehow) even more but with the same resources. [/quote]

NP.  There is hostility towards center schools by some in the administration and they've been trying to get rid of them for a while.  Rolling out Local Level IV in every elementary school is clearly a way to end center schools - but if the LLIV experience is so unsatisfactory, parents will continue to choose center schools and it will be a difficult sell for close them entirely.  [/quote]

Well having a more consistent LLIV would be helpful. Instead it seems a principal can do whatever they want. So if you are already stick somewhere with a bad principal it gets compounded that you also get a bad program into the bargain. As a parent one big benefit of the center system is the (relative) consistency - that principals can’t just do it however they’d like. I think parents understandably have hostility towards that. This cluster model sort of embodies it for how different it is from one school to another. Students in different ones can have very different set-up and experiences that have nothing to do with the students in the room or their abilities.[/quote]

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