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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"Nuance" is how "anti" groups attempt to veil their biases. But i[b]f you ask certain churches that claim "all are welcome" if they have gay people in leadership roles or if they would perform a wedding for a couple in which one member is nonbinary, [/b]you find out the truth pretty fast, assuming you can pry a yes-no answer out of them.

Does Rives think a school's first duty is to the well-being of the student, or should parental preferences outweigh that?[/quote]

Welcoming and inclusive does not mean a church or a person has to give-up the foundational tenets of their faith. Nuance is indeed essential. It's not all or nothing.  Everyone can be welcomed into a church community but the faith and teachings of that church will also indicate that not all people get to play all roles.  Leadership roles are iffy for me:  I think all people should be able to be in the leadership positions. But if a church upholds that marriage is only between a CIS -male and female, that's their perrogative. A couple can be married legally and participate in the church community. They just won't have that marriage recognized by their church. If they disagree with that, they can leave the church.  Just because someone, or a church, doesn't grant the full range of entitlements you believe they should doesn't mean they're hypocritcal.[/quote]

No, it just means that faiths that exclude gay people, trans people, women, and others from leadership positions and recognized statuses like marriage aren't "welcoming and inclusive." It's like trying to say: "I believe in civil rights, but let's keep Black people from voting or holding office." The contradiction cuts to the core. Plenty of churches don't discriminate on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, or gender identity for any role or recognition. They exemplify what it means to be, truly, welcoming and inclusive, and to treat every person with equal dignity. They shine a harsh light on the faiths which do otherwise.[/quote]

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