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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yeah, it’s a real problem. You aren’t going to find a T20 that isn’t largely populated by Tracy Flicks. Sorry. [/quote]

Especially nowadays given what it takes to get into a t 20. Might have been different 25 years ago [/quote]

25 years ago you could get the disorganized geniuses who walked into the SATs and got 1600 without studying and who kept up a 3.7 or so GPA by never doing the homework but acing the tests. Perfect and intense executive function wasn’t a skill set universally required for admissions back then. But the admissions have changed to essentially remove the quirky geniuses from the student population, because you are only getting into a T20 if you have the executive functioning skills of a mid-career project manager. Hence schools populated almost entirely by Tracy Flicks. Even the athletes are Tracy Flicks. It’s kind of bizarre. [/quote]

This whole notion that there were all these "disorganized geniuses " in earlier years, and kids now are just well organized with the "geniuses" getting shut out is silly. Back in my day 1600 was an unheard of score. Kids who did well were likely natural test takers with parents who valued education and/or in good schools. We weren't necessarily smarter than kids who didn't score as well. You didn't find these natural Good Will Hunting " geniuses laying about. That is just nonsense.  Kids these days are working hard to demonstrate their intellect, artistic talent and work ethic. And, competition is tough. It's not like the "true geniuses" are getting shut out by average bureaucrats. In fact, back in the day, a lot more spaces were going to legacy and connected. Now, kids are submitting evidence of far more course rigor than we had plus talents, etc [/quote]

I knew multiple kids who got 1580 and 1600 without studying or prepping in the 1980s. [/quote]

Suuuuuure. In 85-86 only 9 out of 1.7 million got a 1600, but you knew at least half of them, right? I was NM in '88. Very few scored in upper 1500s, and they had excellent preparation in their schooling and support at home. They were also excellent students for the most part.  Sure I know some high scorers who didn't organize their time well at school and could have gotten better grades. I was one of them! But this whole notion of "old days" "geniuses " vs. today's "pencil pushers" is just completely bogus. Sure kids are working harder. Because the competition is tougher -- with more applicants for limited spaces. [/quote]

So defensive. [/quote]

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